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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
> >
> > I hadn't read this before. I also haven't read the Koran (there seem to be
> > many possible spellings of this, I've also seen Qu'urran, for example)
> >
> > But this quote from the beginning of the fatwah HAS to be taken out of
> > context, right?
>
> What do you think? Are you even unsure? What is your hunch on this?
I'm NOT sure, hence I asked.
My hunch is that you can go rooting through the New Testament, or especially
the Old Testament, and find similar passages. My hunch is that you can go
through the Koran or OT or NT and find very peaceful passages that advocate
tolerance and turning the other cheek too. (These are large books with many
voices in them, whatever your beliefs about who ultimately authored them)
But all of that does not make a particular religion or sect peaceful or
warlike per se.
We have in the past argued whether christianity was flawed based on the
actions of some professed christians, and the current christians said that
those actions were not representative of christianity, not performed by
actual christians.
Some muslim clerics and voices are saying the same thing now. Yet some other
clerics are saying the opposite. Who is right about Islam?
Maybe this can't be answered here.
But I thought the cite to the Fatwah was useful nonetheless.
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| (...) There are somewhere between 1.25 and 2.0 billion Muslims on the planet. I am lucky enough to know some of them. I read the sliver of text you quoted. I think about my experiences. I think about my understanding of Islam. Based on that alone I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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