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Larry, I realize that this has been hashed out before, but I must put this in: The reason that it doesn't work is that you don't know how much you have to spend until the auctions close and whether or not you bought something and drained your bank (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Eric, It appears that you have an overly-strong emotional attachment to this issue. It might be a good idea to step back, take a breather, and avoid being rude. As an "intelligent adult" you should be able to handle this kind of disagreement without (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Technically, the IRS and other elements of governmental intrusion are choices as well. There are a number of measures that people take to avoid paying the IRS and complying with governmental regulation. (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Last post, I promise..... I guess I cannot see how my theories have been proven false in prior postings. I am not trying to start a war of words. I would just like to understand where the problem is. Are you opposed to how e-bay fixed-end auctions (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) But who takes the time to read those responses? Mostly folks just check the number and if it's low maybe they go look at it. If you did this enough, and you received enough negative feedback, it could hose your rating which might end up being (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Not if you've been shot. Snipers can ruin your whole day. (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) My definition of 'sniper' is someone who places a bid so near to the close of a fixed-ending auction that other bidders cannot respond to the new bid, even if they want to. In live auctions, you always have the choice to rebid. Or not. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | Auction: 4564 and 4555 Train sets; Update 1
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I have'nt received any bids for this sets. Are there anything wrong. Maybe it's a problem that I want the bids in NOK (Norwegian Kroner)? I have one used 4564 Freight Express and one new 4555 Container Depot for auction. Auction starts today. #1 (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Go ahead. And realise that your feedback will be responded to, pointing out that the auction was run in compliance with the rules as they were stated in the auction listing. So it won't count for much, I don't think. If we devise a way to (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) You know, even live auctions can have "snipers". Steve, I am sorry I struck a nerve with you. I certainly just added my $0.02 to the mix. I did not realize you were so very passionate about e-bay. Unlike the government, or more importantly the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <3725ea01.338184973@...et.com>... (...) Sorry!!!...!!! (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) True: Then complain about e-bay to someone who can change it... e-bay!!! (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Intelligent adults don't abuse exclamation marks. Try again. Steve (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) We've been through that, it doesn't hold up when there are multiple auctions being run simultaneously, read old messages for more details. (...) Why? I complain about my government, but I use it anyway. Not like I have a choice, or anything. A (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) I do!!! If you say something goes off sale and remove it before I get a chance to bid (or snipe), you will get negative feedback. I think most any buyer on e-bay will agree. Sometimes I see when an item goes off, and then try to log on when I (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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-----Original Message----- From: John DiRienzo <jdiri14897@email.msn.com> Newsgroups: lugnet.market.auction Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [DISC] Shortcircuit eBay? (...) STOP WHINING! If your buyer was willing to pay $50 above (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) This has been discussed in detail before. Several dozen appends right here in this very group debunk this line of reasoning, at least for a significant fraction of buyers. You might want to review that rather than repeating the same argument (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Yeah, that's crap. I think I understand how SC has tried to give somewhat equal treatment to firm and proxy bids, but, in my mind, no matter what kind of bid you make, you ought to have to beat the previous high bid by the minimum increment. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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One other thing -- the 'established high-bidder' approach requires the seller to analyze and know who is the 'established high-bidder'. In most auctions, this wouldn't be a problem. Just check once a day, and see who's got the item. But if there was (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) This is a problem in my idea, but I don't think it would actually come into play in real life. I'm assuming X is relatively short, like 5-10 minutes. But even if it is relatively long, like 1-2 hours, I wouldn't expect that bidders could keep (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) <snip> If he was willing to pay 50$ more wy didn't he put his proxy 50$ more in the first place? By snipping at the end of an auction give you the chance of winning the bid for lest money. Bidder A put a bid of 50$ with proxy of 100$ 3 day (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Whoa, hold on there, pardner! I don't know if I'd equate the two! You could just shoot someone who drives like that;-) As far as sniping goes, I have come in late on occasion and put in last minute bids but the difference was that, sometimes, the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Larry, I think you already pointed this out - I had mentioned to Todd (in (...) Ouch. Chris, you are obscure! And *I* thought it was Jude;-) Check out (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Yes, but worse. But we digress. (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Was this on your mondo set of lots that all ended at the same time? Guess that it didn't prevent sniping (of one lot) after all. Bummer. my condolences to the snipee. Another idea along these lines is to announce in the setup that any and all (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Right. Derick had described the rules and we came up with a theoretical example. This is a real one that impacts me and I'm not too thrilled about it. - I had mentioned to Todd (in (...) That's not a bad system either. (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Hmm, interesting theory. I bet it doesn't work that way, though. If the gap between the current bid and the top of the proxy is large enough, and a hard bid (or proxy bid with the right top value) is submitted, my overbid can be pushed to an amount (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Mookie wrote in message <3725365E.E07AA303@e...pc.com>... <snip> (...) this group), that people should only be able to bid by the increments, as a way to eliminate this. I did see this implemented on an obscure auction, where instead of typing the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Hi Lego auction enthusiasts, I want to give this idea below some consideration. I had an auction end last night where the bidder who had the high bid for five days was outbid with forty seconds remaining. Needless to say, he was upset, and said he (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | Bryan Shirley and James Steele please contact me NOW about nonpayment/noncontact
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Bryan and James, I have sent many Dacta auction updates, and several requests for your shipping addresses. No mail has come back returned, so you must be getting it. Please contact me NOW about payment for winnings in my auction. (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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What is so bad about sniping? I don't think I have ever done it, but I'm not sure I completely understand it. Is it like driving in the left lane that you know is going to be closed in a half mile but you drive that lane anyway and dodge in at the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Well in that case I guess you'd have to do some math and make your proxy the amount of percentage it should be in order for them to have to beat you by the percent rate. At least that's what I would do. I think the way it's done now is fair, you (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Here's a real example of why you should have to beat the top of a proxy by the min increment. On serious collector, check out lot A 1382: (URL) Lego Dacta Bonanza: Controller, P/S, ISA Card, Lab Kits (2) maico $55.50 $55.00 $55.00 I bid this with a (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) What if bidding is perking along at a rate just short of lasting long enough to close down, and you run off the end of the time period? Whoever has it then wins. Back to where you were before. Snipers still can win. (25 years ago, 27-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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*** Many items are now sold. Balance of items will progress every two days until sold if no new bids are received. Next progression will be Wednesday 4/28. Can all winning bidders please notify me if you are finished bidding or want to bid on other (...) (25 years ago, 26-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Interesting. Except I'd rather not void an otherwise valid-bid. And I don't care if newcomer enters late in the game. They just have to be able to hold the bid for the X minutes required before I close the auction. Basically, I think the auction (...) (25 years ago, 26-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Awesome idea! I think this is better than closing the auction unexpectedly. I did not know eBay allowed that. Might get negative feedback from your sniper, but you can very well reply to it clarifying that you did what you said you would. (25 years ago, 26-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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Instead, put a note in the auction text that you reserve the right not to honor any bid placed in the last X minutes unless placed by a previous bidder in the same auction. You might also offer the established high-bidder - the person who was in the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | lugnet.market.methodology? (was Re: Methodology: Reserve, Controlled Reserve, or No Reserve?)
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(...) There is or recently was a discussion of a lugnet.market.discus...ique/.etc. and then I saw this note with methodology in the subject. I think that .methodology would be perfect for encapsulating the meaning and goals discussed, and also for (...) (25 years ago, 26-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
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