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Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Steve Berry

(...) O.K., yes, it's you Larry. Fine, you don't buy my reasoning; like I'm supposed to be surprised by this! (...) Alright, so you made a point. I don't have a problem with your underlying philosophy/approach to bulk ordering. As a matter of fact, (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Mike Poindexter

<Much snippage> (...) Steve, I think you will find more people who support you than who support Larry. I had thought he was a pompous jerk before I had my tiff with him. Just proved my suspicions. On a side note, as for changing one's name, does (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) <more snipage> (...) Hey Todd, can we take a vote? My guess is that a lot more people would support Larry, especially if they really think about his responses to this and other debates. Sanjay did gloat. Perhaps he didn't really intend to, but (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Tim Courtney

(...) And what's the point in that? Are you going to next suggest to publicly chastise Sanjay for 'gloating' and all fatten your little egos? It looks like you're just trying to go to the polls to feed your immature urge to play the arrogant and (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Greg Majewski

(...) To quote Tom McDonald(1): "Go Tim, GO!!!" Greg "(URL) Majewski citrusx__@yahoo.com (URL) I think it is he who says that.. (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Tom McDonald

In lugnet.general, Greg Majewski writes: <snip> (...) Well, kinda. I said something like it, but in effect I said "Go Gary, PNLTC and GMLTC" (and of course, anyone else that wants to join the bulk sales effort). My first reply to this thread was (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Greg Majewski

(...) Oh.. I've heard you say that more than once, I thought. Oh well. Greg "(URL) Majewski citrusx__@yahoo.com (URL) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —John Neal

(...) The facts as I see them: 1. Sanjay had some good fortune 2. Many envied Sanjay, although were happy for him 3. Some perceived a little gloating 4. Sanjay is a good guy 5. Larry is a good guy 6. Most (all?) would love the opportunity to order (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Ken Hetling

You might as well add to the list 3.1 A little gloating is common in the RTL/LUGNET community Examples: "Look at my cool MOC", "I am now 9V complete", and any of the various FOTW, FOTY, FOTC, FOTLT (of which Sanjay seemed to find) Ken (...) said (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —John Kelly

(Sorry for the length of this thing....) Well said. When I was in Enfield, I had the misfortune of having to be on the element team in a rotation. (We all had to share some of the element misfortune on a rotating basis.) It was very very tedious. It (...) (25 years ago, 7-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

John, I understand that in terms of Lego and their internal processes, but it sounds like TLG needs a major upgrade of their systems if it's that tedious (i.e. book for this, check this book, etc. Anyone ever heard of a computer?!) As for the bulk (...) (25 years ago, 8-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Gary R. Istok

Thanks for the info John, very informative. If we got group orders in bulks of 50,000 or 100,000, would that be enough to justify a special run of specialty pieces (such as 1x2x2 windows, 2x2 cylinder bricks, 2x2 tiles)? Gary Istok (...) (25 years ago, 9-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

Gary, You know, I was discussing this with my roommates and I said, I bet Gary Istok and maybe Larry P. would order about 50,000 of the 2x2 white cylinder pieces. Looks like I wasn't too far off. (...) (25 years ago, 9-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Gary R. Istok

Scott, that 50,000 or 100,000 was for the whole group. I probably wouldn't want more than 1 or 2 thousand just for me. They make great columns in classic or neoclassic buildings. But I don't have plans to build the Roman Forum (just yet). Gary Istok (...) (25 years ago, 9-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

I know Gary, I was just being cute. I would take a few just for added missiles! :) I assume it would be divided according to number, and the charge would be the price divided by the number of bricks, or something to that affect? Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 9-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Tony Kilaras

Lego used to offer a bulk service. How could they do it 10 years ago and not today? john kelly wrote in message ... (...) a (...) and (...) need (...) code. (...) to (...) and (...) they (...) be (...) very (...) parts (...) unavailable (...) find (...) (25 years ago, 12-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Mark Harrison

They have changed strategic direction, pleasing individual customers is not a priority once a company has established its dominance in the marketplace. It was always a lego CSO that was not designed and not required to show a profit. The next (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Mike Petrucelli

(...) So they are all chimps. Ooh ooh... More bannanas... ooh ooh... how?... ooh ooh... alienate our customer base?... ooh ooh... mmm... bannanas. Seriously though, how can TLG not understand that many people go to the toy isle, see mega blocks with (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) Being a public company is absolutely no guarantee of better customer service. If anything, I would suspect it would provide less incentive. Public companies are ALL about the almighty profit (actually, the almighty stock price). Public (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Tamyra Teed

(...) Frank I have to agree with most of what you've said there... the Train groups really do give TLG a lot of exposure.. and I'm sure will kindle or even rekindle a fondness in people... THOUGH... If these "new" people think that they can create (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) Well, one thing that could happen is serious clones of Lego bricks. I don't know what the costs are of doing ABS molding, but model railroad hobbyists are pretty resourcefull. There is a TON of small manufacturers in model railroading. If (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Robert Munafo

(...) I worked for a company that had to have a custom mold (actually several molds) to manufacture plastic parts for the product's enclosure (the plastic "shell" that most electronic products have). The mold pieces were made for us by the same mold (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Bill Katz

Robert Munafo (munafo@gcctechNO.SPAMcom) wrote: : [1] I am not counting the carving of the tiny letters "LEGO" on the studs. Your : hypothetical model railroaders wouldn't bother with such detail, and it : probably doesn't affect LEGO's cost anyway (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

Yes, but those plungers as you call them (I heard rods) cost a lot, much less getting TLG to give the logo over as well. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) The (...) and (...) Hope I'm not stealing Steve Chuck's thunder, but I was browsing the Brickshelf Gallery and came upon this picture: (URL) was taken on a LEGO factory tour. It's a picture of a retired mold which makes 8 2x3 bricks. There is (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —James Brown

(...) I'd take a stab that that is actually the "LEGO Factory Tour" in Funtown at LLC. Or at least, it looks an awful lot like it. :) There is also a mold machine pumping out 2x4 red bricks (at the time) and an assembly line machine that made & took (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.legoland.california)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

James & All, (...) Brickshelf (...) which (...) at (...) machine (...) cost 10 (...) than 1 (...) probably (...) Well, I do know those molds cost a pretty penny. A mold for a Chrysler battery box for the Neon cost 500,000, and it was a little bigger (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.legoland.california)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Mike Walsh

"James Brown" <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in message news:G15MBJ.GLu@lugnet.com... (...) Brickshelf (...) which (...) at (...) machine (...) I was at LEGOLAND California a week and a half ago and the factory tour equipment is still pumping (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.legoland.california)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Mike Walsh

"Mike Walsh" <mike_walsh@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:G15uMw.15C@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) Replying to my own post, here are a couple pictures I took of the tour: (URL) #1 is the retired mold. Picture #2 is the machine (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.legoland.california)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Jason S. Mantor

(...) like it (...) Nope not 4 layers. The thickness you've observed is the space in which all the hardware for the ejector system resides. Note the fittings for the air lines that actuate the ejectors. Plastic parts don't just jump out of the mold, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Jason S. Mantor

Doh ! and as Scott pointed out there are cooling passages in there too ! "Xanthra47" <Xanthra47@Inphotek.com> wrote in message news:G15nnp.L67@lugnet.com... (...) all (...) air (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Jason S. Mantor

(...) Brickshelf (...) which (...) cost 10 (...) than 1 (...) probably (...) The mold in the picture has a number of removable parts that make up the 8 chambers for the 2x3 bricks. These have to have been replaced a number of times to have made that (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) Somehow I doubt it. If it actually cost a penny a brick for the MOLD, there is no way that the cost per part for a set would be 10-20 cents, and certainly no way that you could sell tubs for close to a penny a part. What's possible is that the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Matthew Miller

(...) Which begs the question: why not make less SPUDs? (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) cost (...) Because they believe (and I partially agree) that SPUDs can allow them to produce sets which have more substance to them (in the form of larger constructions) for a given production cost. Take a triangular BURP for example, to build (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Larry Pieniazek

Frank said: (...) I'd caution everyone not to draw TOO many conclusions from these pictures. IIRC Mike Walsh said at the time he took these at LLC. The mold may or may not be the entire mold actually used. Anyone who knows for sure may not be able (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —James Brown

In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek writes: <about LLC factory tour stuff> (...) I don't really see why it wouldn't be (the entire mold). The only thing we've speculated on that doesn't *need* to be incorporated in a mold is the changable dies that (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Steve Bliss

(...) Naw, it's in 'the Ultimate LEGO Book'. Sort of. (...) Maybe it's to reward the diligent observer. Steve (24 years ago, 21-Sep-00, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —John Kelly

Lucas's group had final creative authority on the Star Wars sets. (A former model builder friend of mine I still talk to was on the design team.) With any luck, even TLG will see the viablity of high quality sets again. -john (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —Steve Bliss

(...) More likely, TLG will attritube the success of the Star Wars line entirely to the fact that they are Star Wars. They'll ignore the fact that the quality of the model designs are head-and-shoulders above anything else they've done recently. (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —Christian Holtje

(...) Where can I write them to tell them otherwise. A Snail-Mail letter would, I think, be most effective. Does anyone know which address would be appropriate? I didn't see any obvious addresses on their web-site. Ciao! (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —Steve Bliss

(...) For people in the US & Canada, letters can be addressed to Consumer Affairs (address is in the catalog/flyer included with every LEGO set). Worldwide, addresses can be obtained from www.lego.com. From the homepage, click the "About Us" item on (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —Tom Stangl

I bought one of every Lego SW set out there just because it was Star Wars Lego. HOWEVER, I bought the manymany further SW sets for PARTS, because the PARTS in them just flat out ROCK in most cases. I have seen many people post in RTL or (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —Steve Bliss

(...) And how many part sales/auctions sprang almost immediately after the SW sets were released? There were a some people parting-out sets they must have bought at full-price. I personally think most of the model designs for the SW sets are (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —John Kelly

It was interesting to hear him talk about the designs. The orginal snow speeder design had a working tow rope that was pulled for $$ concerns. All of the models have to fit the price point to a fraction of penny. -john (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed.[Star Wars Question] —Steve Bliss

(...) That makes sense--profit (the money the owners get to keep) is earned on the margin. If they earn a few pennies from each set, and they can shave a few pennies off the cost of producing the set, and not impact projected sales, they've (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Steve Bliss

(...) I don't think Mark was implying that going public would improve customer service. He was just saying it would be the natural end-product of TLG's short-sightedness and indifference to high quality standards. Steve (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

Mark & All; (...) I would disagree to a point here, I think several Lugnet/RTL people would love to place a few special orders, say for 5000 train doors or something to that effect. (...) Gee, lets get our customers even madder at us! YES! (...) (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Mike Stanley

(...) Yeah, publicly-traded companies aren't motivated by silly things like profit. (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Tamyra Teed

<soapbox> I don't see the sense in dividing a community in this manner. It's bad enough one post can cause this much crap. We don't need to divide the rest of the people here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, others will not like it, that's (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —John Neal

(...) I have been fortunate to know Larry two ways-- From having read his posts for half a year, and then in person for half a year. So you can believe me when I say that Lar is a good egg. He's honest, fair, smart, direct, funny, but a little (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Frank Filz

(...) I want to appologize for the referenced post. I should have stuck with the listing of positive contributions Larry has made to our community. Mike's note just got to me and I reacted without thinking about things. I hope we can recognize that (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Todd Lehman

(...) To what end? --Todd (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I'd have to agree with that, although it's always heartening to have my opinions of others confirmed I don't think a popularity contest is useful. I don't do what I do or say what I say for the sake of popularity. I'm not Bill Clinton, after (...) (25 years ago, 7-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Larry Pieniazek

(...) <but forgot to say it was Sanjay, he only said "from the original append" which he thought, mistakenly, was clear enough> (...) Sorry if you didn't read carefully enough, as I *did* leave out that I was quoting Sanjay... but you were making (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Scott Edward Sanburn

I think I would have to agree with Larry on this issue. Whether or not Sanjay was arrogant or whatever is beside the point. I am glad he had the opportunity to do a bulk sale, but for the rest of us, who do pay high prices for sets and parts, and (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Jeff Johnston

(...) So, you think Sanjay's purpose in posting was to brag? Not to inform, to share an experience, to pass on information that might be useful to other folks trying to get bulk orders to happen? Personally, I didn't get the tone of "Ah ha ha ha, I (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Nick Goetz

Hey I got an idea! Lets go after all of those people that post a FOTW (FOTY etc.). I hate to hear how they leave two sets of three on the shelf without posting an address and a phone number of the place they were. How dare they not buy those other (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Arjan Brugman

Nick Goetz <ngoetz@iquest.net> wrote in article <FG1z3H.F3D@lugnet.com>... (...) (FOTY (...) without (...) they (...) Nooo stop!! I'm sorry, I'll buy 'em next time!! Seriously though, I've been thinking about this. I have stumbled upon such (...) (25 years ago, 6-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)

Re: Bulk Ordering - Secrets Revealed. —Steve Bliss

(...) If the sets are discounted by 75% or more (especially big sets), you can be sure someone will be happy to take them off your hands. That's how I got my copies of 6289 Red Beard's Runner and 6195 Neptune's Discovery Lab. Rob Dye found a great (...) (25 years ago, 10-Aug-99, to lugnet.general)