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| | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Will Hess
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| | | | (...) of (...) mini- (...) avoid (...) because (...) Insectoid, (...) Rock (...) box/ (...) I would have to agree with you 100%. I'd even go so far as to add some of the Ninja, Adventurer, Castle, and Wild West minifigs to your list. I think (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | (...) I aggree. The ice planet female is an example of a good female minifig. (24 years ago, 18-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Ravi Mohan
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| | | | | (...) I object-ithink that the babe minifigs are ok.the feminisation means that gender differenciation is not made on the basis of hairlength and there may be long haired males.this is less sexist not more!...and good guys need not be on prozac-of (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —John Rudy
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| | | | | (...) These female figs that are overly, say, developed are digusting. I think we can all see that a fig with red lipstick and long hair(although not so now) is a woman. The new Castle sets looked promising, a female knight and all, but the shape of (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) I think they're kinda funny. It's also important to note that these are developed in Europe, where they tend to be less prudish about such things. (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Will Hess
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| | | | | | | | (...) That point has not been lost on me. Doesn't make it right though. Will Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services www.crosswinds.net/~hokie (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | (...) It says more about the US attitude than the European - Americans are a bunch of squeamish prudes in general. Why is YOUR attitude "right" and the European attitude "wrong"? And if you think kids WON'T see cleavage in the real world, from a (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Will Hess
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| | | | | | | | | (...) they (...) bunch of (...) European (...) FWIW My attitude is "right" for me and my family. I WISH it was "right" for the rest of the world ('twould make my job as a parent MUCH easier :-) but that's not gonna happen. I'd also like to know what (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hmmm...how young are kids that play with Barbies again? (...) Nice job turning the question around, but I don't think that's the right way to ask it. After all, what *is* appropriate about putting a baby doll that wets itself into the hands of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Gary Istok
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I agree completely. When I was 15 I was visiting Europe with my mother and sister. We were at my uncles house, and they had on TV a show called "Paris in Review" that showed some floorshows (like in Las Vegas) with all the showgirls topless. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) they (...) bunch of (...) early (...) turn (...) wouldn't (...) the (...) in (...) shelter (...) would be (...) River (...) nudists and (...) are (...) want (...) prudishness (...) crimes. (...) I'd love to see where you got the sex crime (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I agree completely, Gary, and was just thinking this the other day! I've never understood what is "wrong" with normal instances of nudity, such as bathing and dressing. We here in America are behind the times, as most media I've seen out of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Adam Hoekwater
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Gary, I think it's because America is a cesspool of social degeneration. Doesn't Japan hold the same prudishness? Are they number two in sex crimes? -Adam (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) And America is a prudish country how? Granted, one only hears suggestive nuances on network TV, but how many households have cable? How many people have access to pornography? Virtually all of the people that I have known who have had a (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Adam Hoekwater
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I think this is an excellent point, but I think there is a difference between the sexual messages that American kids experience, and the ones that European cultures do. You use the word 'pornography', which I interpret as material that is (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I mostly agree with you on this point. Customs regarding modesty can genuinely differ across cultures, and be influenced by climate, history, etc. A topless woman can be attired just as modestly, given the right circumstances, as another woman (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) is used (...) divorce (...) Maybe it isn't... but "moral spheres" are very _personal_ spheres. Your spheres might be differently shaped than mine. It's best if we all keep our spheres to ourselves. ~Mark (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) My replies: First, how can we each keep our moral spheres to ourselves? When you and I interact, or when anyone interacts, for that matter, the interactions are governed by our moral spheres of understanding regarding how the other person (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) our (...) you and I (...) other person (...) Does everyone else and their children deserve to be forced to abide by your particular notion of what is "decent" on a minifig? (...) circle? As differently as there are people and cultures on this (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This is my 4th post in this thread. I have yet to give my opinion regarding the issue of minifig decency. I have merely been debating the issue of public decency. I defer your question to someone else. I will say that I speak as a consumer (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Order rearranged somewhat: (...) A very good question. It is good to see that those participating in arguments require the arguments of their opponents to be supported. It may very well be that the sexual repression common to the popular culture of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Based on my experiences: no. Crayon Shinchan - a popular kids' cartoon a few years back, sort of a Japanese 'Dennis the Menace' - had plenty of nudity (male and female - animated, but still) and sex jokes. Wandering the streets of Osaka, I (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | (...) You have not explained how or why an open expression of sexuality is inherently better than "prudishness;" you've merely said that you agree with Europeans instead of Americans. That's fine, but why? Why should we not err on the side of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | | (...) Interesting...have you always had this problem with the female form? Is there a problem with kids knowing that women are shaped differently from men? (...) Why does a fig need long hair to be a woman? I know plenty of women with short hair. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) Honestly, these things are just as ridiculous as the drawn-on breasts. (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | | (...) Not to mention guys with long hair. (...) Actually, her armor shape was pretty good IMHO. It's much better than the queen's torso in the same set, or the "wenches'" torsos. (that's *not* to say I don't like them, on the contrary; but I don't (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Will Hess
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| | | | | | (...) I can't speak for John but for my part I have NO problem with depicting the female form in a manner that is tasteful and appropriate for the intended audience. In this context I consider the Pirate Wench inappropriate with her plunging (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | (...) The only female I found "overtly sexy" was the islander babe. I'm not real familiar with the whole line up but that's the only one I can recall saying, "Boy... I don't know..." I don't really have a problem with red lipstick to represent (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Will Hess
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | (...) Before, I only thought people were reading too much into things, now I'm almost certain. The queen's got the keys because she's the chatelain - in charge of the running of the castle from day to day. It's a position of great power and trust. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Aaron West
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| | | | | (...) running (...) going (...) If you've ever been out in public, NEWS FLASH: Women have breasts. To ignore or show disgust to that fact is to deal a serious blow to girls self esteem as they grow. Lego does make women minifigs with small chests (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | In lugnet.general, Aaron West writes about minifigs with boobs: (...) I agree. (...) Why? (...) You mean like an adult female, right? None of the minifigs look sexual in any sense. And, not to suggest that I am in any way disturbed by any of this, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Will Hess
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| | | | I'll respond to your points but I must say that it seems that you ignored the rest of my post to make your point. Read the part of my post under your quoted lines and you'll see what I mean. (...) running (...) Good enough explaination to me. After (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Tamyra Teed
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| | | | | (...) I started to say this last night... and decided against it... though the comment above makes me want to retype it.... I know parents have to shield their kids from some things in this world... though I'd like to know HOW you get through a (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) Why would it be hard to discuss either one? The two subjects are attributable to biology and fashion and they are excellent subjects for discussion. If you are trying to educate your kids, then you should take every opportunity to discuss (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) What if your son should, hypothetically, happen upon a Barbie Doll, whose proportions are much more obvious to casual inspection than a tiny bit of paint? (...) Hmm.. What if your child chooses on his own to ask about the differences between (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | | | (...) Probably because that's not what that thing is. It's just a keyring, for gosh's sake. As was mentioned in other replies, the queen is often in charge of the household, etc. She'd need the keys to get to every room in the castle. It is *her* (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Easy there, Shiri! I would hope it was obvious that I was kidding, especially given the contrasting tone of the rest of my post! Dave! (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No, no, it was obvious to me that *you* were kidding. But someone else, somewhere in this thread, suggested it - seriously, I think. And that kinda ticked me off, I forgot about it 'til I saw your post, and then let it all out. Sorry. ;-) No (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It's cool--I'm glad I could help you realize a catharsis 8^) (...) None whatsoever! Dave! (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | (...) The same goes for one piece palm trees and juniorized parts. Don't you dare disagree openly about anything lego does. What do you think this is, a user's group? It's not Lego's job to make toys for you adults. Markus (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I agree. That's why I just sold all my animal SPUDs on eBay. I didn't demand that Lego conform to my own standards of what their toy should be, I just solved the issue in a way that worked well for me, and for another person, who is probably (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Nor is it Lego's job to conform to your ideals. If I felt that Lego was making something that was against my beliefs on what toys should be, I wouldn't buy them. Jeff (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) making (...) And that, my friend, was the start of this whole post. I don't buy the sets with what I consider "dark" minifigs, i.e. UFO, Insectoid, whatever the aquazone baddies were called, etc. I believe it was a big mistake that alienated (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) the (...) I thought those were just aliens (except for the Aquaraiders, those are "baddies" I suppose) If it's non-human, it's evil? (...) educators who (...) Power-Ranger-Mutant- (...) Got any statistics on that? Most kids I've ever known (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't have a problem with aliens per se. In fact, someone else just pointed out that most of the insectoids weren't as dark as I thought. So I stand corrected there. The only aquaraiders sets I saw had some really yuck faces to them, and I (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) So if she's got the keys, it must be he with the belt. Hmm. That approach might have prevented quite a bit of trouble, historically. "Certainly, dear, you should go on the Crusades. Just put this on first." "Never mind, I'll stay home and plow (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | (...) I guess than it's a case of, "Do I want my children to think it's normal and socially appropriate to display a good portion of their anatomy to the public. If a child roleplays those toys, and that's the intent, then it's my business as a (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Justin Husman
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, God didn't make them coverings. Adam and Eve made their own coverings, because of the whole snake/apple incident. If I remember my Bbile correctly, they ran around naked prior to that point, which was certainly O.K. with God (as he (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | (...) cover (...) Right and wrong. Genesis 3:7 says that A&E made aprons out of fig leaves because they were naked and ashamed. But then God made them coverings out of animal skins in vs 21. I have a KJV right in front of me. It's also important to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | Right, time to take this to off-topic land. (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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| | | | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Adam Hoekwater
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| | | | | | (...) This is true enough, but not an argument for displaying yourself barely dressed. Adam and Eve were made perfect, but they spoiled this perfection by eating of the tree and learning of evil. Something very profound and important happened that (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: legos biggest mistake is... —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | Will Hess skrev i meddelandet ... (...) Well, were did he get his first meal? Didn't he have a mother? What about a baby brother/sister, will you shut the eyes of the 6 year old when the baby is feeding? (...) I think it's better to take the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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