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| | | (...) Correction, that was the internal code name! Here is more detail: As most of you know, BricksWest was held in mid February in both 2002 and 2003... unfortunately BricksWest will not be able to continue next year. Rather than lose momentum, (...) (21 years ago, 9-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) Thanks Lar, but, ummmm, anyone care to explain what PDX stands for? Primary Door eXpropriator? A new enhanced document standard? Anyone? ROSCO (21 years ago, 9-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Adrian Egli
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| | | | | | (...) PBX are the call letters for the Portand Oregon airport. Adr. (21 years ago, 9-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | (...) Whoooooaaaaah.... can we get more details on this from somebody... anybody? BricksWest is gone for good? I really do not care who responds to this - as long as they know whats going on. I am tired of all this egg-walking thats been going on - (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | RE: Saturday General Session Announcements - BricksWest 2004 —Bill Blackmer
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| | | | | This is interesting. Why can a Brickwest 2004 NOT be held in Legoland? Why is it part of Brickfest? What happened to the West Coast organization group? I am not against change, I am just wondering what happened. -----Original Message----- From: (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | (...) Interesting. So those of us who would likely be involved in attempting to set an event up are conveniently left out of the loop while the event itself is moved more than 1000 miles north of it's original location and well out of the realm of (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | Where did BW go? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | (...) Trust me, I am in no way a happy camper at the moment. Among the things I want an answer to (so far) is - why no BW04? Why was it moved? And if it is being moved why is it being moved just a stone's throw away from NWBrickCon? I find that (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Adrian Egli
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| | | | | | | (...) Here's what I can pass along- At the SIGGRAPH here in San Diego, Steve B. told me about the idea of a "west coast" Brickfest and all of us (Tim was there too) agreed that the MIA Matt G. would make it difficult to have a BW in 2K4. Admittedly, (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, at this point in time unless SOMEBODY has heard for sure from Matt that there will NOT be a BW04 there in no way should be plans *let alone* saying there will not be a BW04. That can olny lead to trouble (and has). The choice of words (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Paul Sinasohn
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| | | | | | | | (...) What can be said with 100% certainty is that there will NOT be any fan-run Lego event at Legoland in 2004 at all. (...) Plain and simple, don't be so freaking provincial. Having an event in SoCal makes it just as hard for the NW folks to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | | | | My 2 cents here... I thought one of the big reasons for having Brickswest in So Cal was because of Legoland? I mean, I guess as long as you're hanging out with your buddies and sharing your MOC's, it really doesn't matter too much where you decide (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Anne Carasik
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| | | | | | | | | | | Hi all, I was going to stay away from this, but.. (...) That's what I thought too. I didn't get to go to BW03 this year, and I'm really bummed because BW04 sounds like either not going to happen or it's going to be moved. All becaues of pettiness. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Paul Thomas
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| | | | | | | | | | | | There has been so much said I don't know where to start. First LLCA is not the best place to have the show. If you could hold the show totaly in the park it may work but you can't...NOT ENOUGH ROOM. The hotel rates for rooms as well as display (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Let me assure you NWBC03 is on. We want all comers. We've all been a bit busy up here and I apologise for any lateness in the announcements. It's been a hectic summer, what can I say? Mark Neumann (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) It's partly that, Dan. Do you remember how great it was to have the public viewing at 2003 where all the younger builders and their parents flocked around you to ask 'How do you do that?' That's what this is about. Legoland is just a means to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Ray Silva
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| | | | | | | | | | | | I'd really like to hear more from folks that aren't in Southern Cal, Northern Cal or the NW as to what they are looking for in attending a brick con. So far, it's mainly us westcoasters that have been commenting about why it should or shouldn't be (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Whenever it is held, the weekend of Valentine's Day is pretty bad. I didn't even bother to mention Brickswest to my non-LEGO SO as I knew how thrilled she'd be with the suggestion. Bruce (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Ok, but I'll warn you, I'm biased. (...) I did it because we have a wealth of Lego builders in our region, (Seattle~ish) spread over three clubs with lots of cross polination. I do it for community, both Lego fan and non fan. I do it to get (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) There are folks who feel a LEGO attraction is a detriment to a brick con. I strongly feel that LEGO attractions (LEGOland for BricksWest and the outlet for BrickFest) actually splinter the community. Instead of all spending a weekend doing (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Adrian Egli
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.events.brickswest, Paul Sinasohn wrote: -snipped- (...) That's how I'm feeling about this. I'm cool about exchanging locations from Bay area one year and So Cal the next but to include the Pac NW when they already have the NW BrickCon, (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, Adrian, this is the part I've got a problem with. I've heard NOTHING from Steve about this and yesterday was the first word I'd gotten that there was no Southwestern Brick Event being planned for 2004. I've got a BIG problem whenever (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) We've been discussing incorporating NWBC into this new idea. At this point it is extremely unlikely. We've gotten a little additcted to the whole con thing. I do feel however it would be innappropriate to have two cons in Seattle. Too much fo (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ok, with you having said that., can you please let us in the big secret as to WHY? Sorry, I am tired of all the secrets, all the whispers, all the "I heard from this person who heard from this person.." If people KNOW whats going on then those (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | (...) Really? Where are you getting this information from? Many of us who want to set up a Mid-February South Western Brick Event would like to know. I, for one, haven't heard a thing about it. (...) That's not the point and you know it. Want to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hey, there's raisins! Don't be dissin' the raisins! More seriously Fresno is kind of the gateway to Yosemite, though I don't know if I'd want to take a trunk full of MOCs camping with me. Bruce (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —David Laswell
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| | | | | | (...) If you read exactly what was written, without superimposing any unstated ideas on top of it, you'll see that _NOTHING_ is moving. The name BricksWest is owned by the MIA owner of Bricks Magazine, and considering how long it has been since (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | (...) Fair enough. Though that wasn't what was presented to us yesterday, but fine, we'll go with your analysis for now. (...) Partly true. What I see is a group of people trying to put together an event more than 1000 miles away on the same weekend (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Exactly. Look PD - you know less than we do here. You do not know the history here. You have 0 intrest in this, so why are you trying to stir the pot? You made incorrect statments in your post, thats because you do not know the history here. I (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) If it makes you feel better, go ahead and think of me as being the bad guy here. All I know is that before I said anything this thread had degenerated into a bunch of people pissing and moaning about how they were being wronged. Now they're (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BW04? (Re: Saturday General Session Announcements) —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Stop trying to be a drama queen here Purple. Nobody is doing anything you are syaing, and this thread is far from what you claim it is. All people are trying to do is figure out what is going on. You have no idea how silent things have been - (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Adrian Egli
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.events.brickswest, Dave Johann wrote: -a lot of snipping- (...) It's good to see someone is giving a thumbs up to my idea :-) It's also good to see this topic starting getting some attention. Let's go back in history to when the BW idea (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.org.us.lugola)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm in total agree ment there. I've already started preliminary plans using the connections I could reach on a Sunday. I'll expect better responses tomorrow. (...) How about September 6th? Join us in Mission Viejo at the next LUGOLA meeting (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.org.us.lugola)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Here is my senile recollection of those historical events. Many of us batted around the idea of having a west coast brickfest type convention. While in infancy our East coast counter parts voiced loud opposition to everything from our desire (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.org.us.lugola)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I've got the same fear. (...) This statement could well be the single most important item in this entire thread. (...) Very true. Even though GenCon showed us that if you make an event large enough and command enough media attention, you can (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.org.us.lugola)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | First of all, Dave, I'd like to apoligize to you if you felt I was jumping down your throat personally. I read LUGNET from the main News page, I got sick of seeing people complaining about the situation without actually trying to do anything about (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No problem. I figured that was the case considering I had three posts in a row. (...) Exactly my point. A BrickFest event put on the west coast on the same weekend we were anticipating a BW event without any previous mention and entirely (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not really party to any of the other arguments, but this statement is factually incorrect. There are quite a few PNLTC members in the PDX area, and another PNLTC contingent and SEALUG are only 3 hours north (in Seattle, obviously). You can (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I wouldn't be surprised if many BAYLUG, LUGOLA, BAYLTC, SCTLC or San Diego's upcoming LUG joined in to, but I still stand by my original statement as being factually correct: There are no LUGs in the Portland area. I'm well aware of PNLTC - I (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It is true that PNLTC is a train club, however, one should not assume there is no non-train interest in the area. I will be running the gaming component of BrickFest PDX, and will be bringing much pirate stuff for use in Evil Stevie's Pirate (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I never made that assuption. There's always some level of interest. I'm pointing out that the level of interest seems to be a tad bit higher some 1049 miles to the south (thanks Mapquest). People will flock to wherever the event is located, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) It's certainly true that local interest helps, but it is not necessary. In fact, a brick con in Portland might be what is necessary to spark a LUG. I'm not convinced weather is that important (DC in the summer is horrid...). (...) I'll let (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Exactly - from what it seems there has been a great deal of working out done already in secret.. and us here are scratching our head trying to figure out what is going on with BW, let alone this new con that looks like already has all of the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm sorry that people feel left out, but an event can't be planned with 100s of people. While some (all?) of the brick cons were initially kicked off with a public call for interest, they quickly took the planning private (however, I believe (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | | | | (...) Starting with a disclaimer--I've never been to a convention (heck, I rarely get to a LUG meeting) and between job and family obligations probably won't be running off to one soon, so my opinion is pretty disinterested here. That aside, I'm a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Who cares what the weather is? Well, at least so long as it isn't weather that makes travel hard. Portland in February is really not so bad. Roving conventions actually do quite well. True, their attendance varies very much depending on who is (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | (...) Isn't the Olympics really a roving convention of sorts? Mark (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sure. Actually, this points out a common feature of roving conventions. There are usually bids to host, and a committee and/or process to select bids (WorldCon bids are voted on by the attendees). This process that allows evaluation of bids (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —David Laswell
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| | | | | | (...) Speaking as someone who lives in the Snow Belt, I'd be much happier heading off to a place where I could wear shorts in February. It may not be bad, but it's not like getting a nice dose of Summer in the middle of the Winteriest month of all. (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) The public attendance factor is an interesting one. To me, it matters not much. Why? Well, I get to do public shows all the time. I did like one thing about this years public time at BrickFest, the public time included the brick bazaar, and (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm glad you brought this up. If we want cons to live we need the public. Let that sink in for a sec. For as diverse a group as we have here in the NW, it cannot support a regional convention by its fans alone. Won't happen. People balk at the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) I wonder why this must be the case. BrickFest started quite well as a purely fan event. We didn't even really have an idea what the draw of the outlet store would be. Obviously it was some draw, and there will be some number of folks more (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Neumann
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| | | | | | | | | (...) For a time. But it is growing and incorporating the public. Is it not? Take SciFi cons for example. You pay to get in, boy to you pay, but I can go and wander about if I wish. I won't get the extras but I can wander about. Now I believe your (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.events.nwbrickcon, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | (...) Whoaaaa there, son. We recognized that downside from last year, and made efforts to rectify the situation this time around. We specifically are separating public and private hours this year to accomodate things like your Pirate Game. Since we (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) That will help (last year the public did continue past the 4 PM time frame as I recall). The concern I still have is having enough energy after catering to the public for 6 hours. I know that when a show is over for the day, I don't feel like (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | (...) Last year we were unable to control the venue since we were spread out all over the Center House. This year, since we have our own room, we will be able to close the doors and tell them to come back the next day. Having more private hours was (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —David Laswell
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| | | | | | (...) That's a valid point, to a certain extent. Not all participants will have that sort of experience (I remember about two months ago people were asking where they could find places for public display), and outside of events like BF, there aren't (...) (21 years ago, 12-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | BrickFest Portland 2004 —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | Hi... I just talked to Steve (and others) about this topic. He realises that there are a lot of open questions and valid concerns, and would like to apologise for not having been able to answer them all at the same time that the announcement was (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest Portland 2004 —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | (...) The general consensus at our last SEALUG meeting was that we would continue NWBC in our October time slot regardless of where "Brickfest West" is located that year. (...) I realize we were probably annoying the heck out of everyone else all (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest Portland 2004 —Stephen F. Roberts
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| | | | | | | On 19.45 8/11/2003 +0000, Grand Admiral wrote (...) Best was when Larry was on stage and mentioned that the train table needed more space... echoes of 'space!' all around the hall while Larry busily tries to think of a synonym to use :-) --- wubwub (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest Portland 2004 —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I agree, and second the request. (snipping a bunch of stuff I really could comment on, and very well may later after I've talked to Steve and others myself ...) (...) Yes, absolutely. I'll probably comment more on all of the above once we've (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest Portland 2004 —Dave Johann
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| | | | | | (...) Which is why I've backed off and stopped the pitbull stance I was using this weekend. :) (...) I've got no problems with this, I'd just like the veil of secrecy lifted. This isn't a Lego product unveiling afterall. Just realize that the way (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | Re: Saturday General Session Announcements —Jason Krish
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| | | | <snip> Why Portland???? What possible draw is Portland???? To me the draw of BW was LLCA!! I'm not one of those 'same old, same old', but I can understand that feeling. To be fair, another draw IS the store/being able to buy sets there as well as (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.events.brickswest, lugnet.org.ca.nalug)
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