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Richard: I am sorry, but you just don't get it. #1 - These are not "Rare, expensive sets" in Lego's eyes. These are sets that nobody wants to buy. That is why they are old. It is not TLC's job to watch ebay and Lugnet to find out how to "most (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) Then they should catch a clue -- or is Brad Justus just a troll here? Is he just a plant to stem the tide of our venom as I already half suspect? I'm sorry, but I think it is very much TLC's job to pay attention to what we fans want, and not (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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Richard, I'm certainly not an economist, so my feelings are just a mildly educated opinion, but I don't think you will ever see any major company have a distribution channel like you want. It won't work. If it was such a good idea, retail outlets (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) and I don't. I guess I'm rather put off by this attitude. Economic reality is what it is and your wishing that TLC cared about us to the point that they lose money isn't going to change that. And I'm tired of you whining about it. That's (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I don't think that both sides in this debate are essentially disagreeing, just stating (seemingly) incompatible ideas. That is, I agree with both sides to some extent - I would like to see a "fair" distribution of LEGO, but I don't think there (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) that (...) True, it is their job to pay attention to what fans want, but the bottom line DOES show that. Profit is a measure of consumer satisfaction. The fact is that what WE want is not necessarily what the majority of Lego consumers want. (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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Methinks he doth protest too much! A tad touchy about this subject aren't you, Larry? I label myself the "lego curmudgeon" which is intended to suggest that my incendiary mode of expression is half jest/whole earnest -- but not to be taken too (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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In lugnet.dear-lego, Richard Marchetti writes: I'm gonna skip most of the rest of your drivel and just focus on a few points. (...) calling (...) Who said they haven't. Not sure what this has to do with anything. Whether it's them calling us or them (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Larry, I'm guessing you want these sets for the four grey "C" wall pieces (or whatever they're called)? If not, how much do you want for them? They look ideal for a couple of my projects. Pete Callaway P.S. As for this debate... I'm not even (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) And they really _weren't_ worth much to the GP - otherwise there wouldn't be any left. I wouldn't have been able to pick up a ton of them at half price, both at Wal-Mart AND S@H (many times they were on sale for cheap). Please, people, you're (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Umm... I don't mean to intrude or to point out the obvious, BUT let's all be aware that Communism is NOT alive and well in Russia. This happened quite some time ago... And, by criminy, people bought some cool toys, I didn't get any, big fat (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) This is getting to be exactly what I think of much of what you post, Larry -- or did you think you had a corner on this market too? The difference is that I am not quite as self-serving or puffed up as yourself, apparently. My ideas are a (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) White, and I think they're called corridor wall sections. That is indeed what I want them for... ++Lar (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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In lugnet.dear-lego, Richard Marchetti writes: <sniiiiip> You're missing my point... go respond to Mike, he gets it. Perhaps you can refute him with less parsiflage. ++Lar (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:Fs2Jow.4z7@lugnet.com... (...) points. (...) clue. (...) call (...) a web (...) Juno, (...) it's (...) Them (...) Them (...) after (...) called (...) inbound. I (...) right? So (...) people (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Richard, you still don't get it. This is in fact what S@H does, and in fact because of their pricing scheme, they make more of the person who orders 10 of set X than 10 people who order 1 each of set X. Why? Well first, the shipping cost isn't (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) I think its interesting that you feel the need to "retaliate" about something that is actually addressed "Dear-Lego" and concerns the manner in which TLC does business with us fans. You "few" guys are pretty reflexive about this point I am (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Richard, You're kidding, right? We're talking about a *very* limited quantity of sets. Catalog inserts? Those cost money and take plenty of time to make and stuff into the catalogs - and by the time they get out, the sets will probably be (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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While I expect that in a discussion of this length no one will read this, here goes: I see two sides to this argument. One, Larry and whoever else wants to keep there arrangement intact, ensuring the greatest satisfaction. The other side, including (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Well, not sure which Mike you're talking about, but I personally wasn't called. I personally would like to have gotten some more 6078's. But I personally don't mind that someone else got the call before or instead of me. The only thing I (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) I will... (...) But why should the "system" *not* reward the "more spend happy customers"? Larry spends a whole lot of money at the Outlet. The manager of the outlet has a job: sell LEGO. He is able to do this job *and* do a favor for a good (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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A couple of thoughts here: 1. I have no side in this argument. I understand the business practices of the manager. I disagree with them. As I said, I wouldn't be able to convince you if I was God, anyway. Therefore I will let you have the false (...) (25 years ago, 27-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Objective rants aren't as much fun to write. (...) 'Wrong' is an innapropriate word choice - for short-term profit, selling lots of things to one person is better. For keeping as much fans happy as possible, spreading it out more equally is (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Larry gets "preorders" and you don't. Why? Because you don't spend Big Bucks. Same difference. (...) This has nothing to do with buying LEGO, or anything else except stocks. Larry isn't getting "insider information", he's getting a chance to (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) I admittedly know very little about stock market stuff, so this is mean in the spirit of innocence - my flame proof suit is at the dry-cleaners.. I've just become curious about this "insider trading" law thingy - has the market ever operated (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate) !
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(...) Well, here's hopefully an objective rant... The fact that LEGO has set up outlet stores means that they are bleeding. The outlet stores are a desperate attempt to limit that bleeding. The outlet stores sell obsolete stock at discounted prices (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) I'm in. But I guess we might as well for Lego Direct to happen / not happen and see what they can come up with. I just hope they aren't listening to or dealing exclusively with the "have's" in this thread -- they are probably the wrong fellows (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Going with what actually happened, what would you propose the manager have done that would qualify, in your book, as NOT underhanded or wrong? Post some silly "I'll have some stuff on sale tomorrow - call in and find out what it is" message (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Although the "elite have's" are more than likely the ones, even among AFOLs, who will be their best customers. I don't know what Lego Direct will end up being, if anything at all. I'm _personally_ offended at the nonchalant way ol Brad jumps (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) At this point I have to concur with Todd. Let's look at this way. In an article just published with Tom Stangle as the focal, (or was it mindstorms... anyway,) Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen, TLC Pres, remarks that this year has pulled them out of hot (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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I've got a few thoughts here (like I haven't already): The fact that the outlet will not ship to nearby customers sucks. There is no good reason to limit where they ship. If that is a policy of TLC, hopefully they will can that policy as a result of (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) Of course, we thought we had a shot at this consortium thing last year through Denmark, but nothing ever came of it. And someone mentioned the Constitution set in this thread - were there really Constitution sets available??? I would like to (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) keeping it (...) price, (...) make (...) with a (...) You can always sell it yourself at a loss. Although this is not a very practical business model there's no escaping the fact that some products are dogs and you'd do well to get something (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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Paul Sinasohn wrote in message ... (...) through (...) It may have died because they decided they wanted to work it through Lego Direct. Or, alternatively, it may have been a significant factor in shaping Lego Direct. In any case, I think Brad is (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Given a bunch of asses and this nice fellow, why not pick him? At least its exclusively what he does. Its not about buying the sets for resell for me. Its about TLC giving everyone an even chance, that's all. Why is that so ridiculous a thing (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I don't think it's a ridiculous thing to ask at all. It's only unreasonable, that's all. Not that it wouldn't be wonderful -- it's just not going to happen if the reason for TLC's having set up the outlet stores is to minimize hemorrhaging due (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) What?! Troy is a good guy because he buys up LEGO sets from the stores and re- sells them, but Larry is a bad guy because he has a project which requires many corridor sections, so he buys a bunch of Nebula Outposts for his own use? Or I'm a (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Not at all if its true. This is merely an assertion on your part. TLC has stated nothing here to that effect. But if you think its wonderful, why do you resist the idea? No ifs, ands, or buts -- just get behind the ideas you support. Choose. (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Ya, it's an educated guess...or if you're skeptical, just a wild guess. (...) I would support Larry's proposal in December that his company help TLC with their ERP, so that the outlet store might no longer be necessary. Personally, I love the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) A bunch of asses? How much more of this sort of beligerent junk are you going to spew? And Todd, how much more are you going to put up with? (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I never called anyone elitist (I checked to be sure). And very early on I excluded you from my comments. Take offense if you will, but I selected you out of the comments I made directly and indirectly about others. Not you, Frank. Not you at (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Hey, your mileage may vary. (...) [Mommy, Mommy -- Richard won't play fair! Make him stop, Mommy!] ass (às) noun plural asses (às´îz) 1. Any of several hoofed mammals of the genus Equus, resembling and closely related to the horses but having (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.admin.general)
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Actually, I have a question for Todd. Is it possible to have the same cookie on my machine that lets me see or not see certain groups in the main page also let me not see any of Richard Marchetti's posts? I am half-kidding, but half not. (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) Something equivalent to so-called killfiles popular in NNTP newsreaders? No, the web interface to the newsgroups doesn't support that fine-grained of filtering. --Todd (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I believe this last comment was directed at me. I need to apologize if anyone got the idea that the haves and have nots issue has anything to do with money or egalitarian economics. Only that a certain segment has access to the lego sets and (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I believe this last comment was directed at me. I need to apologize if anyone got the idea that the haves and have nots issue has anything to do with money or egalitarian economics. Only that a certain segment has access to the lego sets and (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) -------- Actually, the more I think about this, I do have a side. I originally said that since I did't care about the sets in question. I got caught up in the argument and I am sorry for that (not thinking completely through a response is (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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In lugnet.dear-lego, Mike Stanley writes: [...] (...) In case there's volume in numbers (of voices), I'd like to add mine in saying that the above describes my feelings as well. -Suz (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) I'm not 'personally offended', but a weekly or bi-weekly update would be *great*, even if it's a "nothing new to report" most times. Richard (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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(...) I think you are correct in your guess as to why the outlet stores have popped up (ie, TLC is attempting to stem the bleeding). BUT, in the current high-turnover business climate, there will always be a need to have a 'dumping ground' for (...) (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Me three. --Todd (25 years ago, 28-Mar-00, to lugnet.dear-lego) !
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Hello Richard: There is more to this than just manipulating stock prices. Existing and new shareholders have to have some comfort that they are been treated equitably and have confidence in the stock market. Capital stock markets are one of the ways (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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