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(...) Thought - with this system, how are you going to distinguish between a model (component in a set) and a component of a model (commmonly known as submodel)? There should then be two letters after the set number, or a letter and a number (ie. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would agree with all except this. My reason is because 'set' can be used to refer to the entire package, where 'model' would refer to individual items within a set. ie. Terminal, Airplane, Helicopter, and Service Vehicle for an airport set. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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OK since the header seems to be a problem I will use set 7130 as an example and I will explain each part of the header in depth. 0 Name: M7130-99.dat 0 Snowspeeder 0 Author: Ryan Dennett 0 Official Model Repository OK line one: M stands for model, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The submodel and model are the same thing by your definition. I agree with keeping 'model' as the term for this and use submodel to replace component in definition. (...) No need to put 'first model' in there. The other file eader would be: 0 (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I am going to strongly go with the MPD download myself. (...) Hmmm.... that is a good thought.... I would go for that, since they could theoretically take the place of instructions. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I don't want to intrude too much in this debate, but John has a very good point. Whatever you decide to do, do NOT use just a number-only file name. That is guaranteed to cause problems with part files. -- Terry K -- (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I suggest that this or other simmilar lines about the model go on the *first* line of the file, as that is the normal place for the title of a DAT file. That way, if LDAO or some other utility is ever improved to show the title of the model, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What's the difference between your definition of model and submodel? Is this correct for the Red Bird Rig (Model Team don't know the number) 1st model: truck w/ plane submodels: tractor trailer plane 2nd model: jeep w/ racecar submodels: jeep (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"jonathan wilson" <wilsonj@xoommail.com> 140.dat (...) For neatness's sake, I think we shoud keep the capitalization clean: 0 Set: <set num> <Theme> <Model Name> <year> 0 Name: <filename> 0 Author: <Name> <<email>> 0 Official LEGO Group Model 0 (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would greatly prefer ZIP and/or MPD (I just thought of another idea for LDLite (sorry gyug): ZIP support). I think inlining makes it too difficult to follow the building process. About following the building process, will it be required that (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Wouldn't adding the year take care of this? Or you could take the pause/lugnet approach: s6938-1.dat s6938-2.dat etc.. submodels of this set could be: s6938-1a.dat s6938-1b.dat etc.. It just barely fits in the 8.3 format, but it would probably (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) and (...) send them if (...) we can to get (...) Tim, I'm the person who was supposed to be helping with the reviewing and editting so that 'we' also refers to me. Who else was willing to help? I'll still review and edit, but could someone (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Typically, sets with duplicate numbers have nothing to do with each other.[1] So it isn't really accurate to consider one set as an alternate of the other. Steve 1) There are exceptions, where variations of a set are available, such as 6938, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. Although having both the instructions and the set is infinitely better than having neither the instructions nor the set, a set can probably be *checked* having only the instructions and not the set, to an accuracy of 99% or higher (if (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would have to say that to check these it would be highly reccommended that you have the actual set. but again, that depends on the size and complexity of the model. Obviously just instructions would do for a small car, but might not for say (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If they're related or not is beyond me, but someone could investigate the duplicates to look for similarities. The duplicates are never in production at the same time, so they are a few years apart at the least. They could be of the same theme (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) set (...) different (...) only (...) "T7140a_1". I (...) how (...) What if we would consider the content of a duplicate set as alternate models of the same set numbers. Eg. 7140 is duplicate set then, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's a great question. Someone with only the instructions ought to be able to find suspicious looking things (e.g., potential mistakes), but probably can't prove something to be 100.00% correct. Some LEGO instruction booklets do contain (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ahh, nope, I'm not. Well, not exactly. There are two different ways to look at "uninlining": one view is that it's simply removing the extra code, and restoring the original reference statement. This approach works, as long as you have the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Good thinking on this, but there is one problem not addressed: duplicate set numbers. For this we will need at least one character to distinguish different sets with the same number. But this puts us over the 8+3 characters. The only character we (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim, Using the set number only is a problem, especially for part authors. In my models directory, a number-only file means a part I'm working on, while models are indicated with a preceding "m". -John Van Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) model repository, I (...) made any TLG models (...) email them to me (...) set number as the (...) set number and ** (...) M7140-99 for (...) that it is a (...) Yes, we had, and to explain why; some people might have unofficial parts in their (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) and ** (...) I believe Papp Imre's file naming system would be more complete here. (...) I agree with your choice on the model name. We could also use that to include sub-theme and theme for people who do not know the catalogs as well as (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) You are correct here. (...) Probably a (very) good idea. (...) I don't think it is at all. I think you're right on with this file system. From what I've skimmed (sorry, I'm busy this morning) you have done an excellent job at coming up with a (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ryan and I had decided on M####-**, where #### stood for the set number and ** stood for the last two digits of the year it was released (i.e. M7140-99 for the X-Wing). The date would be replaced by a letter to denote that it is a submodel. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Dear Tim, I agree with idea to standardize the TLG model header and filename. Some comments: Tim Courtney wrote in message ... (...) 1. If we use the plain set number as filename, this may lead to confusion, because I'm sure there are identical part (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) do you need to own the set to be able to check it? or would the instructions suffice? (...) 0 7140 x-wing fighter 0 author: Jonathan Wilson 0 Official Model (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In order to begin assembling the ldraw.org official (TLG) model repository, I need to begin collecting TLG models in Ldraw. If you have made any TLG models you would be willing to contribute to the repository, please email them to me in .dat or .mpd (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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All needed donations for ldraw.org have been recieved. Thanks to all of you who have donated: Larry Pieniazek Terry Keller Mike Stanley Jean-Pierre Paris Lars Hassing John VanZwieten The money will be taken care of soon and sent off to Todd to (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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I need to ask for help from those of you who have created utilities that are designed for use with LDraw or LDraw .dat format files. ldraw.org will be offering a centralized download section for these utilities. If you have created one of these (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Oh, right. Sorry. THAT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA. (1) :-) -- Terry K -- 1. Do I tend to over-emphasise things? (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmmm. I wonder where the emphasis goes in that sentence.... Steve (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That is an interesting idea. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Adding a closing tag (and unique ID) is a good idea, and something that should have been done from the start. It would solve the problem of identifying the chunk of code to reverse out, and restoring the original referencing file would be (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, it looks like there is a valid difference of opinion here about which format, and 2 are rather prevalent. I think we should continue discussing advantages and disadvantages and eventually vote on it. I would put my vote in for MPD if (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I thought about that, but I was concerned about the burden of differentiating between comments and random extensions to LDraw (ie, new meta-commands). Maybe LDAO should provide/maintain a list of known meta-commands? Then the Inliner could (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim Courtney: (...) MPD. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I'll put in my two-cents: gzip'ed tar files would be an excellent replacement for MPD. And Winzip handles them OK. -gyug (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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The matrix math will not always invert, although if the matrix is a pure rotation (with no scaling or shears) the transpose of the matrix is the inverse. A better solution would be for the inliner to apply a start and a stop tag for each inlined (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. It would be nice to have the capability to do a 'clean' inline. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This will be great! Would there be any way to add an option to leave out the file information comments lines of subfiles (or maybe just all comments) when inlining? If you use several levels of subparts when creating a part, then inline it, it (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think so too. (...) Then there is that. (...) Oops. Quite right. (...) That is assuming the file will be viewable online of course. Which would be a good idea. And, if it uses lugnet to archive them, will be just so. Hmm.... have the server (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, you can currently edit MPD files -- if you have LDLite hooked up as the viewer, it deals with the MPD issues. Hmmm. I haven't played around with this very much, I should do so. But I was thinking of a multi-window MPD editor, that would (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sure! But what kind of support? Aside from "Open Subfile", I mean. (...) :-D Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That was my point exactly: the inline operation applies the transform information from the reference statement on to each of the inlined statements. So cut and paste can only move the modified lines into a file with the same name. (...) That's (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Following up myself to resolve a dangling footnote... (...) [1] In the next version of LDAO, the stand-alone inliner will allow you better control over the inlining process. Specifically, there will be options/buttons to: - Select all subfiles - (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I you're running Emacs, you can use my LDraw-mode to do inlining. And you can even choose the number of decimal places to preserve! It defaults to two, though. Inlining in Emacs has the obvious advantage that you see what you get while still (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Whoops, I almost didn't read that. :-, But a cut and paste won't necessarily restore the origin of the sub-model, will it? My main reason for using sub-models is to place the origin in a weird spot, usually for rotation purposes. I agree that (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:12:49 GMT, legoverse@geocities.com (Terry K) wrote: [Good descriptions of inlining/MPD snipped] (...) And if you use a ZIP archive, you have to unzip. Unzipping is generally more convenient than splitting an MPD, for the user. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That only works if there is a single inline. And it doesn't actually undo the inline, it just creates a similar subfile. (...) Search the lugnet archive. Jacob's tools are at (URL). Onyx's M-Peedy is at (URL). (...) Generally, yes. You can (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Outlining can only be done with manual intervention, because there's no final delimiter on the inlined code. So the human has to select the code to outline. I *think* the matrix math can be reversed, but I'm not sure. I don't know if there is (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Inlining isn't a format, it's an operation. A file-reference (type 1 line) is replaced with the contents of the referenced file, but the color and transform (position, rotation, scaling) from the original command are applied to each line from (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Info: --- Inlining: Inlining is generally considered a "one-way" process - though the inlined section can be manually cut out and pasted into a separate file if the beginning and end of the inlined section is known. It is directly viewable in (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Not only cutting and pasting, you have to know where the last line of an inlined file is. Scott R Dennett wrote in message <199906021848140350....te.net>... (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sounds like a good feature to have around as well. What is the format difference between inlining and mpd anyways? They both contain multiple ldraw models in one file... (sorry I sound a little clueless...but all I use LDraw/LDAO for is making (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually, Steve, it isn't one way if you don't mind doing a little cutting and pasting :) So if you really think MPD is that much better than what you did, where can I get it to see if I like it, I mean there must be some sort of program to (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sounds good to me. If you could, Steve, include an mpd compiler and splitter in the next version of LDAO that could make things easier for users. Oh, and what is happening with the rumored but illusive LDraw II project?? -Tim Courtney (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Is there any way to reverse the inlining to the original file (lossless outlining, I guess it would be) using the comment that the inlining function writes? Does the matrix math work in this direction? Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'd recommend going with MPD. LDLite will render a (properly formatted) MPD file, and the MPD format allows downloaders the possibility of splitting the file back into its separate pieces. Inline is a one-way operation. Steve (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Then I would like to ask someone to explain to me inlining.. you only inline the lines of the submodel...how do you get them all in one file, etc? -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Inline PLEASE!!! I know hothing about MPD except you have to split the file. Inline, you just go to the LDAO tools menu, click Inline, check the lines you wnat inlined, clik OK(or something to that efect), and your home free. Pretty easy if (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This raises an important question. We should have a standard format for submodels for the TLG models. MPD or inlining? Given my limited knowledge, which is more user-friendly? can LDraw/LEdit/LDLite read an inlined file without the user having (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) pages (...) html (...) assembling (...) created (...) to (...) progress. (...) like (...) I have gone through all of the models that have been sent, and then sent them on to Jeff so we would be comparing the same thing as I had inlined and (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Jonathan, that is the problem, don't use unofficial pieces. Add them to the model once they've been added to an update. And would you please try to at least leave some of the subject matter from the message you're replying to. Ryan ***...*** REPLY (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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good. i have a lot of TLG models and are doing more all the time. however it would be a pain in the ass to send them to you because of the large number of unofficial parts i have used. (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I haven't posted in a while concerning ldraw.org. So far, a handful of pages have been created, along with a few templates. I will end up doing the html myself for the site, but VOLUNTEERS ARE STILL NEEDED to work with assembling content. We still (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) anyone (...) cad.dat.models.sets (...) discuss (...) Model (...) Its Repository, with subcategories Official and Creations - Creations being MOC models, Official being TLG. Crosspost to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, please. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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TERMS OF USE FOR LUGNET.COM OVERVIEW AND DEFINITIONS lugnet.com ("LUGNET") is a privately owned Internet site designed and run primarily for the benefit of those who enjoy building with, discussing, collecting, buying & selling, trading, and (...) (25 years ago, 4-May-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Welcome to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, a LUGNET discussion group. CHARTER/PURPOSE: lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw (group): Focused discussion group for the planning and development of the domain ldraw.org, its website, and related resources. lugnet.cad.dev (...) (25 years ago, 4-May-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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