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Re: SciBrick is looking for you!
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lugnet.org.scibrick
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Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:32:17 GMT
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In lugnet.org.scibrick, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
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I keep re-stating this, and it keeps being missed.. so, I’ll say it again:
I DO NOT WANT TO SHUT DOWN ANY LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION ABOUT SCIBRICK.
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You shouldn’t want to shut down any discussion about SciBrick ! Legitimacy?
Is that some toggle SciBrick has to turn free speech on and off as it suits
their agenda?
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Do you really think I’m trying to control the discussion here? Honestly.. >is
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No
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By “legitimate” - I am only meaning that someone should not show themselves
to represent the whole group when they only represent themselves. That is
akin to lying, and dicussion that revolves around lying is problematic to
begin with.
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Agreed
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I only added the word “legitimate” in an effort to seperate what Eric did
(pretending to speak for the group) from what I am hoping to foster
(discussion of SciBrick’s weaknesses, etc). Further, I also ask that if
someone presents a damning critique, that SciBrick is given the chance to
rebuttle. Swooping in, saying we are elitist pigs, and then refusing to
discuss that accusation doesn’t exactly help us grow much (this has happened
before).
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I just wouldn’t use that kind of terminology
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The only thing I ask is that no one pretend to represent the group
when they do not.
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Your roll here should be to clarify Eric’s involement or lack therof, not to
strong arm a retraction. Maybe SciBrick would like to sue him for eliciting
interest?
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Eliciting interest? How about promising things - like his comments about
Event kits, etc. I am trying to get this under control before I escalate it
up to legal measures. If Eric would simply promise not to do it again, I’d
be at least partially happy. But he hasn’t even done that.
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Granted any promises that me be implied by Eric would be illegitamate and the
need for Eric to come forward and admit his transgressions are clear.“Legal
measures” that’s CRAZY Talk!
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My god.. do you really think that about me? WHY?!?! First you compare me
to the Nazi Propaganda Minister, and then you say you’re afraid to contact
me- when I have explicitly requested people to contact me!
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I think he is referring to Frank Gobles (according to Google) Panamanian
fishing adventures guide not Joseph Goebbles Nazi Propaganda Minister.
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Heh.
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I was excluded Lenny. I was encouraged to become involved with SciBrick at
Brickfest PDX by Joe meno and youself. I was invited to join via e-mail from
Joe Meno and replied within 1-2 weeks. And, yet was not added to the roster
or contacted again.
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That was a bureaucratic mistake - did you try to contact me or Joe again to
find out the status of your application? I never knew you had requested to
Joe, or that you hadn’t been added to the listserv. The Roster had been dead
for a while because of a code freeze while a new site was made.
You were NEVER intentionally excluded - it was a bureaucratic mix up plus
‘out-of-site-out-of-mind’ situation. Had you emailed me, I would have made
sure you were added.
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Thanks for addressing thiss issue. I respect the difficulties in running such an
endeavor and I probably should have followed up by contacting someone. Although,
I did notice Mr. goldman was approached at the same time and his membership
processed timely.
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And I am truly sorry that you felt excluded. I have nothing but respect for
your work, and I continue to look forward to your spacestation. The bits
I’ve seen of it blew me away, and I know it will be an amazing MOC.
-Lenny
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Thanks for your time
Ryan
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| (...) We are in the process of creating a website which helps to automate the membership process so things like this don't happen. We have not been actively recruiting members lately because we were still trying to work some kinks out of the system. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick, FTX)
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| -snip- (...) Do you really think I'm trying to control the discussion here? Honestly.. is that what you think? By "legitimate" - I am only meaning that someone should not show themselves to represent the whole group when they only represent (...) (20 years ago, 24-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick, FTX)
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