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Re: SciBrick is looking for you!
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lugnet.org.scibrick
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Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:10:33 GMT
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I keep re-stating this, and it keeps being missed.. so, I’ll say it again:
I DO NOT WANT TO SHUT DOWN ANY LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION ABOUT SCIBRICK.
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You shouldn’t want to shut down any discussion about SciBrick ! Legitimacy?
Is that some toggle SciBrick has to turn free speech on and off as it suits
their agenda?
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Do you really think I’m trying to control the discussion here? Honestly.. is
that what you think?
By “legitimate” - I am only meaning that someone should not show themselves to
represent the whole group when they only represent themselves. That is akin to
lying, and dicussion that revolves around lying is problematic to begin with.
I only added the word “legitimate” in an effort to seperate what Eric did
(pretending to speak for the group) from what I am hoping to foster (discussion
of SciBrick’s weaknesses, etc). Further, I also ask that if someone presents a
damning critique, that SciBrick is given the chance to rebuttle. Swooping in,
saying we are elitist pigs, and then refusing to discuss that accusation doesn’t
exactly help us grow much (this has happened before).
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The only thing I ask is that no one pretend to represent the group when
they do not.
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Your roll here should be to clarify Eric’s involement or lack therof, not to
strong arm a retraction. Maybe SciBrick would like to sue him for eliciting
interest?
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Eliciting interest? How about promising things - like his comments about Event
kits, etc. I am trying to get this under control before I escalate it up to
legal measures. If Eric would simply promise not to do it again, I’d be at
least partially happy. But he hasn’t even done that.
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My god.. do you really think that about me? WHY?!?! First you compare me
to the Nazi Propaganda Minister, and then you say you’re afraid to contact
me- when I have explicitly requested people to contact me!
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I think he is referring to Frank Gobles (according to Google) Panamanian
fishing adventures guide not Joseph Goebbles Nazi Propaganda Minister.
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Heh.
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I was excluded Lenny. I was encouraged to become involved with SciBrick at
Brickfest PDX by Joe meno and youself. I was invited to join via e-mail from
Joe Meno and replied within 1-2 weeks. And, yet was not added to the roster
or contacted again.
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That was a bureaucratic mistake - did you try to contact me or Joe again to find
out the status of your application? I never knew you had requested to Joe, or
that you hadn’t been added to the listserv. The Roster had been dead for a
while because of a code freeze while a new site was made.
You were NEVER intentionally excluded - it was a bureaucratic mix up plus
‘out-of-site-out-of-mind’ situation. Had you emailed me, I would have made sure
you were added.
And I am truly sorry that you felt excluded. I have nothing but respect for
your work, and I continue to look forward to your spacestation. The bits I’ve
seen of it blew me away, and I know it will be an amazing MOC.
-Lenny
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) No (...) Agreed (...) I just wouldn't use that kind of terminology (...) Granted any promises that me be implied by Eric would be illegitamate and the need for Eric to come forward and admit his transgressions are clear."Legal measures" that's (...) (20 years ago, 24-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick, FTX)
| | | Re: SciBrick is looking for you!
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| In lugnet.org.scibrick, Leonard Hoffman wrote: SNIP (...) Fine. You want an open discussion about what I found wrong with Scibrick? I tried going back to the website to find the list of rules and regs, but the site is down for maintanence. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick) !!
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| (...) Obviously Eric's post was inappropriate. Had you merely stated that Eric did not represent the organization. And, that all inquiries could be directed to SciBrick this may not have happened. (...) The question you have to ask is why have they (...) (20 years ago, 24-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick, FTX)
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