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Re: SciBrick is looking for you!
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Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:24:45 GMT
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Hello,
I'm an AFOL who's been at least peripherally involved in the on-line
LEGO community for a long time. Most of my bio on lugnet is accurate.
I'm a 32 year old computer programmer, I'm married. My wife and I have
a little boy who will be 2 years old in a few months. Timmy is into
Duplo and my wife likes trains. I've always been a big fan of the Space
genre among others (Technic, Castle, Trains, Pirates, etc.)
No one asked me what I thought of the situation, that's true, but as
someone who's seen this community grow and who also hopes that it
continues to be a wholesome and empowering place for my children to
"play," I felt I needed to pipe up. I've seen the bickering and
back-stabbing before and it's never helped us get anywhere. I guess I
was trying to give people a wake up call.
Like you say, many of the SciBrick members are talented and creative
people, but some of them do appear to be an "Elitist Clique" to those
outside their inner circle. Some .spacers have soured these forums for
many people. If that perception bothers people here, then you all need
to do something about it. Simply denying it, won't make it go away.
I disgree that asking people to remove their posts is not a form of
censorship. If Eric chooses to cave in to peer pressure that's his
choice, but Lenny's pressuring him to erase all traces of his
disagreement with the group through guilt and public embarassment is a
step onto that slippery slope. What would the next step be if Eric
didn't comply and no one else objected ? Maybe he wouldn't seek to have
it removed this time, but what about the next time ? Would his concerns
simply be brushed aside and dismissed ? Would Eric be banned ? Would
SciBrick open it's own forum on it's own web site where posts need to be
approved by an approved moderator ? These are all just degrees of
censorship and none of them do anything but raise suspicion and promote
distrust.
As you mentioned, the post we've both responded to isn't even the most
juvenile one in this thread. Pathetic, huh ? Community building is
about respect and cooperation, not thowing darts at each other ... If
this thread is indicative of the atmosphere here, then maybe Eric's
worries are well founded, which is what I'd like to find out for myself.
I for one hope that people here can settle their differences like
civilised people in a democratic fashion. If you're truly the LEGO Pope
then you should help guide your flock in that direction : )
-JSM
Kevin Blocksidge wrote:
> Who are you?
>
> No seriously, who are you?
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> When did someone say "I wonder what Jason Mantor has to say about this". How
> are you involved with this at all? For that matter, how am I involved with it?
> I suppose it's because of me being LEGO Pope and all.
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> Anyway, Chris's post wasn't even the most juvenile post in this thread. It
> doesn't even make sense to target Chris's post for your nonsensical rant.
>
> Also, what is an elitist click member? The notion of .space elitism is thrown
> about surprisingly often, and I seem to remember that even I once believed in
> it. I can say now that it is not true. There is simply a group of spacers who
> are very close friends. They've met in person more than once, and talk online
> almost daily. They know each other well; they have inside jokes. ( Note, inside
> jokes =/= "backroom smack" )
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> Oh and yes, they are very skilled builders. But they are also very encouraging
> people, they want to see others build great stuff, and will do what they can to
> help.
>
> But does all that make them elitist "click" members? No. No, it does not.
>
> And its not censorship if all parties involved agree without coercion to delete
> something, so don't start claiming it is.
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| (...) Jason, There is more happening here than you are aware of. And I hope, as I said in my other reply to you, that you get to know me well enough that I don't start drama like this unless it is necessary. And I believe it is. (...) Can you tell (...) (20 years ago, 23-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick, FTX)
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| (...) Who are you? No seriously, who are you? When did someone say "I wonder what Jason Mantor has to say about this". How are you involved with this at all? For that matter, how am I involved with it? I suppose it's because of me being LEGO Pope (...) (20 years ago, 23-Oct-04, to lugnet.org.scibrick)
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