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| | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Well I'm not sure I agree. I bought my revolver (and the hollowpoint bullets I keep in the speed loader) based on my evaluation of how much bang for the buck I got. Those hollowpoints will stop a person dead in his tracks. I would have shot (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Powell
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| | | | | (...) Ah, ok. The AK and the AR-15's, are not designed to kill, that's right. NO, they are designed to maim- how could I forget reading the info that 5.56 is based on? What exactly is the purpose of a pistol kept under your clothing in a state with (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) be (...) First, I really (really!) meant consumer firearms. Military contract is a bit different. Now, the purpose (if you mean _my_ purpose) when I travel with a concealed firearm is not to kill people. It is to defend myself. I have defended (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) myself (...) If you aim a gun at me, (as my basic training would say), you'd better have a dammed good reason for wanting to kill me-or have you never had formal firearms training? If you aim at someone, then the ONLY possible reason is that (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | Mostly agree with this post, with one nuance... (...) Well, some would argue that it *is* possible to "aim to wound", but I think you need to be a far better shot to pull that off. (unless you use rubber bullets, which often don't work anyway) (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I think I disagree. At least I disagree that if one draws, one's ONLY possible intent is to kill. Drawing a gun has an amazing affect on people (I know, I've had a gun drawn on me, now that search is working again, you can even go look it up). (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I disagree profoundly. There is a huge difference between pointing a gun at someone in order to prevent myself (or someone else) from being killed, and pointing a gun at someone to kill them. My intent is not to kill them, it is to stop them (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | Mostly agree so mostly snipped. (...) Matter of semantics? I'm not a good enough bluffer to use a realistic toy in a standoff, so I bought something that's capable of killing, not just a BB gun or pea shooter. I need to have the real thing behind my (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | In general, I agree with Bill's note. But... (...) Some war. Not most, for most participants. Chris (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Very well put....I must thank you for this as I tend to somehow end up discussing gun control fairly regularily recently and I've never actually heard it put this way....I shall remember it. (...) I agree here. To kill another human being I (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) What do you mean by "better?" I have had minor formal firearms training and have practiced at the range on numerous (though not as much as I should, recently) occasions. (...) Silly macho posturing. There are lots of reasons that one might aim (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, I believe the technical term here in Canada is Attempted Murder, or at least Assault with a Weapon. My firearms instructors included members who had served in all kinds of nice international vacation spots, such as Cyprus, Yogo, (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I think we're arguing about a matter of wording here - While it is true that you should never point a gun at a person without AT LEAST being in a state where it is "OK" _IF_ the gun does get fired and does kill (in a situation where the other (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) That's why I think parts of the law are -stupid-, but parts of it to my mind make sense- such as requiring licences that have as a requirement, training. It comes down to the fact that we needed some changes to the law, but what we got was (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well I guess that you and I aren't acutally debating that much then since my original post to start this thread was arguing specifically the new gun registration laws. Requirements for a liscence and training are and have been for at least a (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | (...) You've been warned about Seattle? Really? What have people warned you about? Just curious, since I live in the Seattle area and I think it's pretty safe in general. ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe he's talking about Seattle, Louisiana? 8^p Dave! (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not James, of course, but I was warned about being in downtown Seattle ( by the fish market, the area where the monorail lets out, etc) late at night. I happened to *be* downtown late at night soon after, and there were a lot of people (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) All historical context aside, jackboots are pretty cool, and go a long way towards a sharp-looking uniform. It's an interesting (though mostly unreasolvable) question wether they had the jackboots in spite of, or because of, historical (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Are they actually called jackboots? That is, I can't imagine walking into the shoestore and saying "I'd like to buy some boots with a lot of historical context--give me some jackboots." Or is there a more "official" name? Dave! (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I've never heard them called anything else. I would imagine that the specific type of jackboots worn by the German SS has a specific name (in German), but I have no idea what it is. A quick (not very picky) search on the internet got me (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Oh, sure, there's that stuff later in the evening. All in all, however, Seattle is one of the safer cities in my experience. LMK next time you're in town. Maybe you can stop by a SEALUG meeting. (...) Heh. Well, there is a certain reputation (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I really would be interested in your justification for making the above comments, or was it just based on ill-informed rumour? If you can show that a UK crime "hot spot" is even comparable to one in your land, I truly will be enlightened. The (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well...if people aren't safe, and the system is set up to prevent them from keeping themselves safe, and people generally believe that police keep them safe, then what's wrong with how Larry put it? Obviously it isn't (usually) the cops' (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It is a generalisation, but people in the areas Larry alludes to do not feel part of the "system" - they feel excluded from it. I know from personal experiences, that individuals in these areas are very reluctant to go to the police for help - (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Jason Maxwell
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Being a Puget Sound native (My home addresses in my lifetime have been Oak Harbor, Seattle, or Bellingham) I can tell you that jaywalking is practicly a capital offense in Seattle. OK, maybe not that bad. How did the old joke go, getting (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) About 2 years ago, we (HMCS Algonquin) were tied up down where the old ferry (Klakala ?) is (I forget what pier it is now), and we were warned not to go into some areas of Seattle at night. I didn't find it that bad, but perhaps the warning (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | (...) So, tell me again, WHY in the heck do we have to get a liscense to purchase amunition? What's wrong with a drivers liscence or other proof-of-age certificate? Oh, how dumb of me, could it be that there IS a reason we have to shell out huge (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) The gun manufacturer designed it to appeal to people with some cash. So that they would give the cash to the manufacturer. Whether or not the gun kills people, looks pretty, fires blanks only, or can be used as a hammer in a pinch doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 7-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) May be a matter of semantics, I guess. When GM designs a car, do they design it to be a good car, or to sell the units needed to hit the IRR? Er, bad example. Who knows what moves GM these days, it's embarrassing that they're HQed in the state (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) As I've argued many a time. We are not served well by bowing down to the holy brick and no other. Frank (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) free (...) But look at the little Korean companies and compare those to Toyota. Hyundai's sell. They are made at significantly lower quality levels, but still they sell. Why? Because the niche that they market to wants Toyotas but can only (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) I don't think we are disagreeing. I posted this example in order to address the (semantic?) issue of motive for doing things... not to claim that there aren't different niches, different price points and different needs. GM's problem is that (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Tom Stangl
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| | | | (...) In this particular case, I CAN'T agree. There really is no reason for a crappy gun (that's just as liable to injure the user as the target) to exist. If you're going to buy a gun, you should buy a GOOD one, even if it's used and rebuilt. -- | (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) crappy gun (...) My personal recommendation would be to purchase the gun that is closest to your ideal and still within your price range. But I think it's better to have a $50 .32 revolver than nothing. And a gun has to be pretty screwed up to (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Gun Control Rant —Tom Stangl
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| | | | I would count a $50 revolver as just as dangerous to the user as the target! There's NO WAY a company can sell a gun at a profit at $50 retail without massively cutting corners on alloys and machining tolerances. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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