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(...) able (...) To (...) The tradgedy in Littleton would more than likely have happened even if guns were severely restricted. Remember, three out of four of the guns that were used to kill people, were regular hunting rifles. Of those three (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Cause a doberman will bite your face off if it misfires. :-P Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) To the best of my knowledge, my Ruger never has. (...) What possible reason could you have for that? They are quite obviously protected by the second amendment. Every weapon available to the agents of government are protected by the second. (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Give me one example of a fire arm that was produced, but never intened to discharge a projectile (other than a starting pistol). (...) it. (...) I will concede that they are currently protected under the second amendment, but I _personally_ (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying the to discharge a projectile is the same as to kill? My ruger has discharged many projectiles, but probably never killed...I bought it new. But, for the sake of the argument, I believe that there are collectible firearms that (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Discharging a projectile is not the same as to kill. If that were true, I could be arrested just for vomiting. My point was that guns were designed to kill by shooting at the intended victim (animal, vegitable, or mineral). I asked if you (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think you or I can go to a gun store and buy an automatic weapon? Do you know why or why not? Do you understand what a semi-automatic weapon is? Do you know what kind of handguns and rifles you would leave us with if all "automatic and (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So it is your belief that a revolver is ok while a semi-automatic pistol like my Glock is not. What's the difference, really? I can almost guarantee you that I could kill someone with the revolver more efficiently than the Glock, if for no (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It also sounds like a stupid question. What do you think, that if enough people admit that guns, in essence, are meant to shot projectiles that will kill another person, they'll just vanish? Or gunowners the world over will just jump up and (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) A comment to add to this: A gun owner has total control over his weapon. A dog owner has incomplete . Either means of protection is subject to serious abuse by irresponsible owners. Of course a responsible (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) Of course if one got down to it, one could make a constitional issue of it since the Bill of Rights specifically indicates that it is not the sole enumeration of rights. It is an enumeration of the rights (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is my hope, belief, and aim. Steve (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I am very aware of the impact that this would have. That is my point. (...) weapons (...) a (...) useless (...) from (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is this? (...) Paintball leaves a lot to be desired with respect to accuracy. I guess part of my bias here is that I own my own marker and know how it shoots. I understand what its limitations are, and work with them. (...) I don't see the (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This may be some common ground where we can all agree. Duane (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can agree with the thought. Never safe to assume that the losers who end up making up the regulations and nit-picky junk would actually create a program that would be effective. (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. In which case, it would be time to change the legislation. But, I think training which is mostly ineffective is still better than no training. Maybe I've been watching too much TV (entirely likely), but I have these mental images of (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only hope that anyone who holds a gun has the same feelings that I do. I have enough experience with guns (at least rifles and a few different types of handgun) that I am confident in my own abilities to use one if need be, but it still (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to be the fly in the ointment, but not for me, thanks. I believe that requiring training is an infringement on the RKBA and specifically violates the second. If the government can require training, and they want to make guns improbably (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Debatable, I guess. The "training" that they require in TN, at least as administered here in Knox county, is laughable. The written test is practically answered question by question by the instructor. The firing test is about as hard as it (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi, I don't know if I am like a hair in the soup but I don't have time to read all previous postings in that thread. What I can see is that your debating gun control, in Canada if you want to buy a weapon you need a permit and succed a weapon (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<slrn7k3ois.1dt.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> <FBy91u.K5w@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) You came late but your statement above is the crux of the debate. A lot of people do not buy this link, do (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What can change the opinions? I know that in discussions, I have changed my mind on stances, but I can't isolate the essential element of what convinced me - beyond inarguable logic. But why is it that with pretty similar backgrounds, we see (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <Snipped a bunch of stuff> Larry, you are correct in saying that very few opinions will be changed as a result of the debating that is currently raging withing this group. The reason that I debate (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) number (...) I feel happy to know another (1) american that is not "gun crazy". Some time poeple realy realy want to do or own wathever they want that they will find any excuse possible to validate their choice even if they now that they are (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37421ED7.8F4BB887@voyager.net> <FBzGnp.L04@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Ya, me too. A debate is different than an argument! In formal debating the goal is to convince the bystanders, (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Ho no! you do! :-( (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Redefine the fucking Second, then. Include the amount of training and how selective it can be. Just don't make it another driving license, for which virtually nobody ever fails.. Jasper (25 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IF you mean that the constitution should be amended so that the right to keep and bear arms is dependent on some very specific training, then I agree with your method of making that change (as opposed to just passing laws that violate the (...) (25 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoops. Musta thought I was still in alt.peeves (where I am currently also involved in a gun-control thread that is, at last count, something on the order of 1000 messages and growing...). (...) Well, yeah. I mean, however much _anyone_ may or (...) (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Fri, 14 May 1999 14:37:11 GMT, Duane Hess uttered the following profundities... (...) But is in itself an amendment. Other rights and issues have been amended, reinforced, clarified, etc. (and one repealed). One observation, and I am not (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 13:55:11 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) Because to some (not necessarily me, I am not stating my true beliefs until I have read all posts), gun ownership can restrict freedom. By which I (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 14:09:25 GMT, Duane Hess uttered the following profundities... (...) Was I challenging them? Wishing to understand them? Trolling you? (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can run for president if both your parents, at the time of your birth, had the American nationality. Army brats _can_ run for president. Also, if you are born in a region which later _becomes_ part of the US, you can do so. This was (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, you were challenging me. Which is not a bad thing. In trying to understand my point of view you were asking questions which I may, or may not have had an answer for. For those questions that I had an answer for, I stated my answer. For (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<MPG.11bcd21f4c15bcb...ugnet.com> <FCnK1r.I33@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) This reminds me of the bone-head required English writing class that I had to take for my college degree in (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool. (...) Now, if we look at the number of automobile-related deaths, I think adopting something similar for the US might be in order. Guns are really pretty safe, but cars are dangerous as hell. (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it's a pretty strong corner-stone for our nation. It may need to be altered as time marches on...I just don't see a burning need. Actually, I would like to see the ammendments that pass the rights and duties which aren't specifically (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <SNIP> (...) OK, I don't agree with you on gun control, but I agree with this statement. I don't see any difference between running the country (government) and running a business. One issue that comes to mind is a top heavy business. If the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:11:48 GMT, Duane Hess uttered the following profundities... How depressing. I posted non-controversial things. People actually agreed with a statement or two I had made. Should go to fun instead of debate. A country is a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:06 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) But horses are non-humanoid quadrapeds, and slaves were in fact bipedal humanoid. The only difference between slaves and non-slaves were skin kerotin (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No particular LP stance. Divisive issue, but we're a big tent. There are those of the libertarian persuasion, including myself, who are not convinced that soverignity requires territoriality, that is, that only one governmental system should (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that the distinction was foolish, and it was clear that some (Jefferson possibly) slave owners purposfully deluded themselves because they had it so good with slaves. nontheless, I think that is the explanation of why slaves didn't (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 (...) But then there's no competition, so they don't have any incentive to increase value. Steve (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:50:20 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) They did get a lot of other things correct, though. A shame it took another 109 years for the world to become re- enlightened. (Cuba in 1898 I believe (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:05:56 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) I shall perhaps look that up. One example which came to mind was the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And everyone is going to tremble when Alabama gets the bomb... (25 years ago, 4-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or for a slightly darker, and shorter, look, try the Spike Bike series, available on the internet. Jasper (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:47:24 GMT, blisses@worldnet.att.net (Steve Bliss) wrote: <governments> (...) Sure there is. There is just as much competition between governments as between companies. There's over 200 countries on this globe. Contrast _that_ (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) + All right, Humphrey, close down the hospital. - Yes, Prime Minister. Jasper (25 years ago, 5-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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