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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Simon Denscombe writes: "The whole natural point of having sex is reproduction or the possibility of it (contraception isn't 100% safe) - with homosexuals this is impossible." --> Copied from your post. Please stop (...) (26 years ago, 12-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For instance, they could be on a treadmill...not getting from point A to B at all. (26 years ago, 13-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I said above A and B could be the same place, displacement = 0. (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry my mistake - however we don't lose posts like on USENET - I must be getting lapse. <Stuff snipped about ill and walking> (...) Walking can be done on your own, coitus cannot. Sex is an intimate thing between 2 people originally for (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No problem - it's just easier to follow if I don't have to hunt back down the thread to figure out if I'm remembering something correctly. (...) Granted. I was, however, thinking at a level even more esoteric than this: both walking and sex (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But I think what we need to know is which of these things make intercourse different from walking such that the use of the activity toward some goal other than the 'original' one is deemed an illness rather than perfectly reasonable? (...) If (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What other purposes of walking can u think of? One foot in front of the other causes a displacement away from where you was standing, enjoyment of it is irrelevant - you are still walking therefore moving. (...) Well it is isn't it - the (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped most of the back and forth about 'what is walking'> (...) But you are not going anywhere. Therefore you are not fulfilling the purpose of walking. (...) People throughout the ages have been. Check your ancient history. (...) "it" gets (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have stayed out of this debate until now, but this needs a response. First off, have you been living in a cave?? I am serious, didn't you ever study history? Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of man. If it wasn't, why was (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got a grade B in History - one of the highest in my school. I live in a house BTW. (...) OK why is the statement in the Bible going against it - there obviously must be something wrong with it for such a statement to be made. (...) Now why (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you are moving - the purpose of walking. (...) Precisely - why are people dredging out ancient history. Lets go back to Roman times and get ourselves killed - back to the past! (...) The intial thought of homosexuality - if no-one knew it (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The point of walking is clearly to get from one place to another for some purpose...not just idle movement. (...) The reason that sex feels good is because the organisms for which that was true, procreated, and the others died out. The (usual) (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You brought it up! (...) Uh...then where did it come from? (...) OK, instead of cooking, how about sewing? Is it natural to wear suits? (...) Because the burden of proof is on the person with the ridiculous beliefs. (...) Exactly his point. (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh? (...) I don't know, but what about cultures where it wasn't considered abnormal? (...) I believe in my perceptions...that helps my mind focus. (...) Bite me. I have a conscience and no religion. (...) I don't believe you. (...) What kind (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, I thought we'd hashed this out, but apparantly I underestimated your capacity for obstinence. Walking is moving. Your statement above is the logical equivalent of saying the purpose of carrot is vegtable. (...) Actually, until it started (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First (...) I will assume you are talking about Leviticus 18:22, yes? Tell me, do wear cotton/poly blend t-shirts? How well do you keep Kosher? How about hair cuts? Do you trim your beard? Leviticus 19:19, 19:26, and 19:27, respectively. All (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Except for the slavery bit. Slavery is evil. But when we're comparing "kinds", early Roman slavery was a bit better than some. Still evil, but it did have the following positive merits: - slaves were captured as a side effect of war, not via (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh dear you've decided to use the word bigot, now the debate gets stupid. You are bigoted because you are intolerant of the opinion I have expressed here. (...) You suggested terminating this discussion, I did a concluding statement and you (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bigot: (n) : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices silly me, I used a "forbidden" word, simply because it seemed appropriate. Guess I'll have to stay away from those hot-button words. Next thing (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Can someone summarise what this debate is about? I confess I have no idea at this point. If no one can summarize, stopping may be a good idea. (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FBzz21.M93@lugnet.com> <374415C5.502DDE51@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Historically, the thread has morphed, but the point right now is whether or not homosexuality is an illness (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm... maybe it's neither an illness nor a lifestyle choice. Maybe homosexuals are just people, like the rest of us. (26 years ago, 22-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Mike, that is the best response!!!!!! Thanks for adding a voice of sanity!!!!! (26 years ago, 22-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37442038.5646F4D2@c...souri.edu> <slrn7kc7p4.2kv.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Maybe a little of both and some of neither. Like so many other things about us complex creatures, (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37442038.5646F4D2@c...souri.edu> <slrn7kc7p4.2kv.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) It's not an illness, probably genetic, and, in (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As in, fine as long as they don't live on my block? And what stickers are on your car? Flaunting has a purpose, the more public homosexuals are about their homosexuality, the more people realize that homosexuals are everywhere. And that (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, I have to confess I'm rather surprised at what I perceive as a lack of tolerance here, and a little disappointed. (...) I'd agree with this. In some cases there is a predisposition toward a behaviour. This is true in many areas of our (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've known people who have "experimented" - for them it was definitely a choice. For all of the homosexuals I've personally known, admittedly not many here in the heart of the South, it most certainly has not been a choice. (...) If you're (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37477ECE.755D6E19@uswest.net> <FC67Iw.89r@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) How would I know? Why would I care? (...) None. (...) I (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37477ECE.755D6E19@uswest.net> <3747E4F5.FE5BE1F6@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Not at all. I am tolerant, that is my point. I just get (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all, they are just attempting to make the world aware that homosexauls do exist and that they are not that different than anyone else. They are not asking to be treated differnlty, Excalty they opposite, they have historically been (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) when (...) gays (...) Blame that on the media, not the parades. The media chooses the most bizaare people they can find in the parade to put on the news - furthering negative attitudes against gays. Just once I'd like the see the news media (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<374838F6.FDB2A443@uswest.net> <FC7E9M.LGA@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I'll take your word on that since I have never actually seen (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can actually vouch for that. I was visiting a friend and his wife in MD in 1993 and we went down to DC during that huge rally they had down there. Lots and lots of perfectly normal-looking people. Quite a few wackos, but nowhere near the (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, look on the Bright side: within twenty years, the stock of hearing-aid manufacturers will skyrocket. ;) Jeff (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. (...) Well, there's LEGO. But that's about it. :-) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3748351E.406C0030@uswest.net> <37495DB6.C2FDB746@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (...) Sex, Drugs, and Rock n' Roll... AND LEGO®. The phrase (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) three, (...) Visa, Mastercard and LEGO (we all know S@H doesn't take AmericanExpress) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I'm not sure, but I think Lego fits under the category "Drugs." It's become a rather expensive habit...gotta...go......*tremens* LFB (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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<3748351E.406C0030@uswest.net> <37495DB6.C2FDB746@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm the last man standing!! I win! It wasn't beaten to death by a stick after all :-) (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<374976DF.9361E5A6@uswest.net> <FC8z60.Jsr@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I don't get it... :-? (25 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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On Tue, 18 May 1999 22:04:34 GMT, Carbon 60 <carbon60@bigfoot.com> wrote: <Lots of stuff> Who the hell are you, and what the hell have you done with the real Carbon60? Jasper (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to mention that most of the masters treated their slaves well. During the Saturnalia, for 10 days each year, the roles of master and slave were reversed - quid pro quo _will_ be offered at such a time, of course. Arguably, you could say (...) (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The friggin' Bonobo monkeys, which are apparently Homo Sapiens' closest living relative, have an attitude to sex apparently best summarized by "If it moves, fornicate with it". Regardless of gender or age. Just as an interesting data-point. (...) (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're a friggin' Nazi, that's what. There, now that this thread has been properly Godwinated, could we return to our regularly scheduled libertarian ranting & raving? Jasper (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <slrn7ir9fi.4rd.cjc@...S.UTK.EDU> <372F66C2.91A22820@bigfoot.com> <FB89tD.IxH@lugnet.com> <372F821B.2FD75F41@bigfoot.com> <FBA13y.LxA@lugnet.com> <3735FE5A.62088FE8@bigfoot.com> <FBJEzs.Ey6@lugnet.com> <3739EE7B.64CD848C@bigfoot.com> (...) (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah! Ban political Statements! Jasper (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just go on telling yourself that. Jasper "I can't _believe_ how close I just came to killfiling on lugnet" Janssen (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <nitpick> Bonobos are a species of Chimpanzee, and chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys (there is a *big* difference, just as there is a big difference between apes and hominids). </nitpick> :) Jeff (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeff Stembel writes: [snipped the important stuff] (...) Yeah, just ask a certain Librarian... Mark "What? FOUR elephants?" de Kock (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Still, you gotta admit, they have a certain style. Which, when I'm really drunk, I have a certain congruence with. (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL Jasper!-- Where the Hell have you been? <g> I thought you killfiled *yourself*;-) Good to see you back:-) -John "Rumors of Jasper's demise have been greatly exaggerated" Neal;-) (25 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have eliminated text that was cluttering up that message. For sake of clarity, is what I left what you meant? (25 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, in the humorous sense, yes. At least it seemed that way, while I was in college, anyway. But realise that I almost never get really drunk any more, although I was last nite. (25 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Busy doing other things.. Life is too shortto be on Usenet anyway, after all. I just looked my author profile up oin Dejanews... Less than 25 posts to go til I hit 3000. Scary. Jasper (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ^^^^ And you apparently still are... Jasper (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's the incorrect spelling for night I think... A bit like labour is the correct spelling for labor - Jasper. :-P (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Other than LEGO? (...) I'll check mine... where's your I'm back post? One which goes like: Jasper Janssen - yes I'm back at the end... It says about 1400 articles for me... 'about' being the operative word. (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did I somewhere accidentally forget an 'u'? Bad Jasper. No cookie. Jasper "Yes I'm back - there, you satisfied?" Janssen (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 12 May 1999 21:59:16 GMT, James Brown uttered the following profundities... (...) Does the argument change at all, if someone is walking from A to B, with the intent of engaging in sex upon reaching B? (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 13:17:11 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) ^^^^^^^^ (...) The context defines, but I cannot find a definition in my dictionary. If anyone could be bothered, please? (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 20:19:18 GMT, Carbon 60 uttered the following profundities... (...) Where's that? I've had 2500+ posts to read or skip! (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Need to try harder... :-) (URL) you won't find a definition for manumitted but it's a legitimate back-formation. (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's in this newsgroup entitled 'Genocide and Terrorism' - it's kind of gone onto a personal responsibility for others topic. I see NATO are bombing Albania and news reporters now - I saw it on ITV News - the reporter had to run for cover as (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:21:03 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) Thanks for the link. I do read offline to reduce costs, so firing up the connection for a definition is prohibitive, cost-wise. It is also indicative of a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep, we will have 'u's in our words! (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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