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Re: Terms and Conditions Question
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Sun, 23 May 1999 17:21:01 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> John, I have to confess I'm rather surprised at what I perceive as a
> lack of tolerance here, and a little disappointed.
Not at all. I am tolerant, that is my point. I just get a little agitated when
private matters become public. On a one to one level, a gay person and I can
relate unconditionally. And have. When I see film of gay pride/celebration
parades in San Francisco [1], I am disgusted by the behavior, as I bet many gays
are as well. Because they (the parades) IMO are *not* about being gay; it's
about something else.
[1] I am disgusted with the debauchery of Mardi Gras, too.
-John
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> John Neal wrote:
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> > It's not an illness, probably genetic, and, in some cases, definitely a
> > choice.
>
> I'd agree with this. In some cases there is a predisposition toward a
> behaviour. This is true in many areas of our behaviour and health. But
> it's almost always a choice, unlike, say, Parkinson's. But I'm not sure
> what point is being made any more.
>
> > > Maybe homosexuals are just people, like the rest of us.
> >
> > Well, isn't that the crux of the dilemma, that they are not *just* like us?
>
> Nobody is JUST like anyone else. There are a wide range of appearances,
> characteristics, traits and behaviours that humans engage in. Any
> appearance, characteristic, trait or behaviour that doesn't interfere
> with the rights of others is just fine.
Well, I would say "within their rights"
> > Here's my .02, for what it's worth. I don't care if someone is homosexual,
> > I don't *want* to know.
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> Good so far. Me either, for people I don't know. But for people I do, I
> am interested, because it helps me understand them better, just as
> knowing their hobbies or politics or favorite foods does.
Well, even among my closest friends I do not "kiss and tell".
> > So why do gays (some) have to *flaunt* it? PDA,
>
> Sort of agree at the gut level. I tend not to like to see PDA of any
> sort, because it interferes with my fantasy life. (it's clear that the
> hot specimen over there is taken) I tend to actually walk up to people,
> leer a bit and then say snidely "get a room". But you know what, that's
> offensive behaviour on my part, I'm infringing on THEIR rights and I
> really should not give in to my rudeness impulses. So in the final
> analysis, disagree.
So how do you feel about "smoker's rights"?
> > rainbows on cars, why can't they just keep it to themselves?
>
> Here you go over the line. I have a rainbow on my car, and a "homophobia
> is a social disease" sticker. Does that make me gay? You might as well
> tell christians not to put fish on their cars or libertarians not to
> sign their appends with political statements.
> A bumper sticker on a car is not "in your face", it is an act of
> courage. Thanks to those whose intolerance goes beyond yours to the
> point of actually taking action, that bumper sticker may single out
> someone for harrassment, beating, even death at the hands of hoodlums or
> police.
But why advertise something so personal? It then, by definition, is no longer
personal.
> > I don't mean
> > in the closet, just out of my face (in public). PDA among hetereos is
> > offensive, too. Is that asking too much?
>
> Yes.
Then so is asking to be treated "no differently"
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>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek http://my.voyager.net/lar
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> - Posting Binaries to RTL causes flamage... Don't do it, please.
> - Stick to the facts when posting about others, please.
> - This is a family newsgroup, thanks.
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