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(...) I'm saying that the MSM objects to Bush's handling of the war, so that is the opinion of the GP. Don't you think people would have a better view of the war if the MSM portrayed it in a better light? Seriously, I honestly believe that the media (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which would you prefer: a near-total media blackout on the real impact of the Iraq war on its innocent civilians and our soldiers, or honest and thorough reporting of the state of the war? Me, I'd prefer the latter, and it's a shame that we (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) The game is the 'bait 'n switch' done by George and anyone who follows him. The 'War on Terror' isn't in Iraq, though. At least, it wasn't until George invaded. The varying ideals for the war (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You forget that everyone bit on the bait, including the UN. (...) Of course it is. Not exclusively. But it most certainly is a front. (...) Does it matter where the front is? The terrorists are a part of no particular nation. We must fight (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't see an upside of leaving at this time, but I see a big downside. What's the rush? I think it is driven more by hatred for President Bush than it is for a desire for the overall security of the US. Because the war is a policy of (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Democrats aren't, with a few noted exceptions, calling for immediate withdrawal, so your question is misleading. Still, the benefits of departure would be many: among them, we'd stop wasting billions of dollars each month; we'd get our troops (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Look at it as an investment in future security. Calculate the cost of a nucular (sic) detonation on one of our cities. (...) I don't think that the troops have a problem with this, so why on earth do the dems and the left have one? (...) We (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, yes. Dr. Rice's famous "smoking gun mushroom cloud" argument. Sorry, but that's not sufficient. Hussein did not have and was not actively seeking a nuclear weapons program, so any argument based on that premise is invalid. It may be the (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hey all :) (...) That doesn't do much to address the point, Dave! You're right, but John probably is too. (...) To secure a stronghold on the oil-fields of the Middle-East in preparation for protecting the US supply chain and projecting force into (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that is only thanks to the Israelis when they wiped out Osiraq. (...) Please. Radicals would have nuked us long before Bush had they the means and opportunity. (...) Which is exactly why we shouldn't allow them to acquire them! (...) (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, Chris-- long time! (...) clunk (jaw on desk) (...) I would. It's honest and correct. We shouldn't have to apologize for protecting our national interests IMO. Nobody else would. (...) spppp (monitor sprayed by pop) LOL (...) Is that the (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you see no problem with spending a TRillion dollars per country for the war on terror? How long do you think the US can do this before a total collapse? Regardless of our rosy economy, if we insist on spending a TRillion dollars on Iraq (...) (18 years ago, 4-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I know you were writing to John, but... (...) Well, probably for a while longer. My thing is that we've taken on a responsibility by mucking things up in Iraq. What we've done so far has be pretty bad. What we'd be doing by bailing out would be even (...) (18 years ago, 6-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe. And then again (URL) maybe not.> Dave! (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is a misleading story (go figure!) The overwhelming majority of US troops in Iraq are positive, incouraged, and invested in their work. Many there are re-ups. Yeah, there will always be a few malcontents. But don't make the misteak in (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh yeah? You went and asked them all? (...) Yeah, there will always be a few heroic, inspiring, and humbling soldiers. But don't make the misteak in thinking that their attitudes reflect the majority. ROSCO (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So, are you asserting that the majority aren't heroic, inspiring, and courageous? Point, please. Or is it that you simply like to hear the sound of your own fingers tapping the keyboard? JOHN (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No I don't have nearly enough information to make such an assertion, but YOU asserted that "The overwhelming majority of US troops in Iraq are positive, incouraged, and invested in their work." (...) My point is that YOU made an assertion (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Without providing any information of your own, your point is pointless. JOHN (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Read my post again John. In case you need a hint, the information I provided is "You made an assertion without anything to back it up". And I'll add some more information too - until you CAN back it up, your assertion is pointless. ROSCO (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) YOU: "Yeah, there will always be a few heroic, inspiring, and humbling soldiers. But don’t make the misteak in thinking that their attitudes reflect the majority." Deal. JOHN (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, you really need to work out the subtleties of debating. That was not an assertion - it was a parody of your sentence, used to make my point. Do you actually have anything to backup your assertion? If so, why not post it here, like Dave (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How convenient. So, your point was to parody my assertion by making a non-assertion assertion yourself. Subtle. But your sublime subtlety wasn't lost on me; I just wanted you to make your point instead of trying to WOW me with your subtle (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 'Antidotal'? Do you mean 'anecdotal'? Cheers Richie Dulin (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) hehe, would you buy that the malaprop was intentional? JOHN (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you were trying to make me make a point that wasn't lost on you anyway? Why not just answer the point with some evidence instead of wasting everyone's time? (...) You did. By posting an assertion publicly with nothing to back it up. (...) (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) About as much as I'd buy some of the other assertions in this thread. ;-) Cheers Richie Dulin (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You started the game; I was just playing along. (...) "Wasting everyone's time"??? Are you serious? The only time wasted is MINE every time I get into some insipid MPesque argument with YOU! If it's YOUR time you are worried about, DON"T (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's people like you wot cause unrest. (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Pot; kettle:-) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can't we all just... get along? Dave K (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, he quoted MP and I used a smiley-- it's all good in my mind! JOHN (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I quoted.... Well, to much to list, but I'll start with Mars Attacks... :) Dave K (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I was wondering if you were reffing something specific, but I couldn't place it, coupled with the fact that I never saw Mars Attacks... (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 1 word Don't K, that's really truncated 2 words, but I digress It isn't worth wasting your time. Tim Burton made some great movies, but this ain't one of 'em. Of course, some people really loved the movie--it has a bit of a cult (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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<snipped> away the garbage-- thanks for the heads up, Dave:-) As opposed to the bombs, what are the BEST movies suitable for quoting? Here is my list-- please add on. In no particular order: This is Spinal Tap Ferris Bueller's Day Off The Princess (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) The only one you forgot is (URL) Party Girl>. (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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"John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:JF9o5z.Dr8@lugnet.com... (...) Some of those are my favorites, but I'll add a few because I'm a weirdo like that: in no particular order - *Friday *Don't be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Ah. So finally you admit that debates are just a game for you. By the way, the point I was making (remember that? the one you still haven't answered?) was a serious comment about your post, what game did you think I was playing? (...) It (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, Ross. What I admit is that for me, interchanges with you in particular most often are games. (...) The manner in which you engaged me. (...) What kind of evidence would suffice for you? Another story about high morale? Anecdotal. A poll? (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I completely disagree with this. By posting in a public forum you are inviting other participants of that forum to your discussion. You can take it to email if you don't want public responses. To post publically and not expect response is, in (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Any particular reason for that? (...) I don't see how that answers my question. (...) So why assert your view as fact? (...) Another anecdotal assertion? Or just opinion? (...) Yet you keep responding... (...) I'm sure you can handle it. (...) (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Or simply FUT lugnet.null. Cheers Richie Dulin (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not necessarily. Sure, anyone who is a member is free to read and respond to any given post, but unless there is a "comments welcome"or "LMKYT", for example, responses aren't solicited. When I post a MOC, I do not do so in order to receive (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I may have missed it, but I don't think you actually said 'solicited' in the post to which Tim was responding. Cheers Richie Dulin (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Invited", "solicited". Same thing, no? JOHN (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not quite, in my view, but putting the differences aside, you said: "I didn’t say “expected”; I said solicited." What you probably should have said was: "I didn’t say “expects”; I said invites." (or something similar). Paying attention to such (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is this the five minute argument, or the full half hour? (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was going to quote 'a few good men' for a cheap quotation thing, but instead, in order to score some political karma, I have this quote-- "The GOP has mastered an error condition in the political process, an infinite loop of abstraction that (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I still disagree. By posting in a public forum you are, in my opinion, soliciting and inviting response. If you do not wish response, or if you wish only certain people to respond you should either not post or take it to email. (...) I agree (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, we agree to disagree. (...) "Solicit" and "request" are synonymous. (...) I don't see that example as analogous. (...) I disagree. The point of a public forum is to share information and ideas. That can be 2-way, but not necessarily so (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) One of the most brilliant sketches ever written, IMO! Not necessarily-- I could be arguing in my spare time. Oh, I've had enough! No, you haven't! (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sometimes the only way to get perspective is through the passage of time. You remind me of my utter comtempt with Ronald Reagan when I was in Kollege. History already is showing that Reagan was brilliant. Given the events that have transpired (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure (...) They're not actually although my understanding of solicit was wrong too. (URL) Invite and request are synonymous but different. And that is one of the greatest and most confusing things about the English language. Tim (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) What saved Reagan was the division of powers in the senate and congress. As well, the 'rise' of mediocrity of the Rush's and the Hannity's that push this completely misnamed 'compassionate (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then in 20 years, you and I will have to have a beer (by then it may be just (URL) Ensure> for me;-) at my future home in sunny Arizona and see for ourselves. I'll have a huge LEGO room, so your sons/daughters are invited, too. I'll have a (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That'll put me at 60, and with 26+ years of tirades against the current US gov't, I may be on a 'no fly list', so I'll drive down ;) (...) Didn't read the book. Dave K (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Reagan? Ronald Reagan? Surely you can't be talking about The Great Communicator, from whose myriad disastrous policies we had only begun to recover when 2001 occurred (with all the implications thereof). The only thing keeping Reagan from (...) (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Missed one!: * Talladega Nights -Rob www.brickmodder.net (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Hmmm. I wonder if (URL) Dave feels the same way>? ROSCO (18 years ago, 22-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS, STUFFY-NOSED, MALODOROUS PERVERT!!! (18 years ago, 23-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol well, gotta run-- I'm off to my Being-Hit-On-The-Head lessons.... WHAAAAA! (18 years ago, 23-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Me, I have more respect for someone who has a naughty shag than someone is the cause of hundreds of thousands of people dying. Tim (18 years ago, 24-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why should we blindly support our troops ? This is not an era of conscription in the US and UK and so they have all signed up of their own free will. They aren't fighting to protect our countries, they are doing a security guard job elsewhere. (...) (18 years ago, 24-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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