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Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:34:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
Hey, Chris-- long time!
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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The threat in Iraq now solely rests upon whether or not we remain in the
region.
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And it results entirely from the fact that we invaded a sovereign nation
under false pretenses.
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That doesn’t do much to address the point, Dave! You’re right, but John
probably is too.
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clunk (jaw on desk)
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Hey, while we’re on the subject, could you please tell me the reason that we
invaded Iraq, and could you cite a date that the reason was given?
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To secure a stronghold on the oil-fields of the Middle-East in preparation for
protecting the US supply chain and projecting force into the increasingly
unstable region. The reason has never been given -- the people wouldn’t stand
for it.
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I would. It’s honest and correct. We shouldn’t have to apologize for
protecting our national interests IMO. Nobody else would.
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Please answer these two questions, for the record:
What would qualify as success in Iraq?
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The formation of a stable, democratic [1] state of Iraq.
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Not likely to occur in the next decade, at least.
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So? What if we gave up on Japan after 5 years? On Germany? Who knows what
would have happened to them?
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It is so strange finding chunks of this conversation where I agree with
John.
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spppp (monitor sprayed by pop) LOL
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How about the ongoing civil war, which is indeed a civil war by any measure
except the one favored by Bushco?
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It will only improve if we stay, not go.
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Are you sure? On what basis?
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It will improve with time whether we stay or go. (Civil wars have winners,
afterall.) If we enforce civility the time between now and then will be more
pleasant for the average Iraqi. And we’ll have a shot at meeting our original
goals.
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And here’s another question: What, specifically, would Bush have to do
before you’d say “you know, maybe he has made a royal mess of things?”
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The Ayatollah Khomeini created the mess; OBL created the mess; SH was the
problem. President Bush is doing what he believes is the best way to fix
it.
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Whew!
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Is that the sigh of relief finding that you finally disagree with me? :-)
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John, maybe he believes that he’s ‘fixing’ the situation to the best of
his ability. His belief doesn’t make it so.
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I can only say that time will tell. But then again, we will never know what
fate we avoided by his having taken action. I think we can say that 9-11 was
the result of us not persuing OBL after ‘93, but then again, who knew?
JOHN
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Message is in Reply To:
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| Hey all :) (...) That doesn't do much to address the point, Dave! You're right, but John probably is too. (...) To secure a stronghold on the oil-fields of the Middle-East in preparation for protecting the US supply chain and projecting force into (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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