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Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
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Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:37:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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Why is it silly, in your view? And what does it say about Republicans in
general that they’re willing to oust someone who expresses an opinion that
didn’t come from the party’s marching orders?
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Resolve for the war is sacred. Don’t underestimate the passion for this
issue. All others pale in comparison.
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Well, that explains the chickenhawks and diehards, but the overwhelming
majority of Americans object to Bush’s handling of the war, so you’re
essentially saying that Republicans are fundamentally out of touch with
their electorate.
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I’m saying that the MSM objects to Bush’s handling of the war, so that is the
opinion of the GP. Don’t you think people would have a better view of the
war if the MSM portrayed it in a better light? Seriously, I honestly believe
that the media could have derailed our war effort in WWII had they wanted.
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Which would you prefer: a near-total media blackout on the real impact of the
Iraq war on its innocent civilians and our soldiers, or honest and thorough
reporting of the state of the war? Me, I’d prefer the latter, and it’s a shame
that we don’t have it. If you disagree, please point me to the major media
outlet that’s been covering the war honestly?
The truth is that this disastrous war is causing hideous longterm damage to
Iraq, to its citizens, to our military, and to the families of our military, and
for what? Be careful what you wish for--if the American Idol-watching public
were made aware of the true state of things, I don’t think that it would go well
for Bush or for the rubber-stamp Republican Congress that refused to rein him
in.
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Dems correctly recognize that they must proceed with care to prevent their
objections from being grossly misrepresented. You call it cowardice, but I
see it as another unavoidable facet of what you like to identify as “The
Game.”
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Well, in this instance, it’s no game.
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That’s my point--it’s never a game, though you’re happy to label it as such
when you’re trying to justify/excuse the latest round of Republican malfeasance
or hypocrisy or felonies (or all of the above).
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They are against the war-- prove it. They need to accept the consequences of
their beliefs. If most of America is REALLY for a pullout, where’s the
harm? Their actions, in theory, would be met with thanks. This is a simple
case of wanting their cake (Tough on terror) and eat it, too (Cut and run).
There is “The Game™”.
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What you’re saying, in essence, is that if Democrats can’t come up with a quick
fix for a disaster that Bush has spent years creating, then somehow the
Democrats are at fault? Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.
And there is no inconsistency between being tough on terror and withdrawing our
forces from Iraq. Only in the minds of Neocons and their apologists are these
two incompatible.
Please answer these two questions, for the record:
What would qualify as success in Iraq?
What would qualify as failure?
Dave!
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| (...) I don't see an upside of leaving at this time, but I see a big downside. What's the rush? I think it is driven more by hatred for President Bush than it is for a desire for the overall security of the US. Because the war is a policy of (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I'm saying that the MSM objects to Bush's handling of the war, so that is the opinion of the GP. Don't you think people would have a better view of the war if the MSM portrayed it in a better light? Seriously, I honestly believe that the media (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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