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Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
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Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:29:13 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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Why is it silly, in your view? And what does it say about Republicans in
general that they’re willing to oust someone who expresses an opinion
that didn’t come from the party’s marching orders?
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Resolve for the war is sacred. Don’t underestimate the passion for this
issue. All others pale in comparison.
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Well, that explains the chickenhawks and diehards, but the overwhelming
majority of Americans object to Bush’s handling of the war, so you’re
essentially saying that Republicans are fundamentally out of touch with
their electorate.
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I’m saying that the MSM objects to Bush’s handling of the war, so that is
the opinion of the GP. Don’t you think people would have a better view of
the war if the MSM portrayed it in a better light? Seriously, I honestly
believe that the media could have derailed our war effort in WWII had they
wanted.
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Which would you prefer: a near-total media blackout on the real impact of
the Iraq war on its innocent civilians and our soldiers, or honest and
thorough reporting of the state of the war? Me, I’d prefer the latter, and
it’s a shame that we don’t have it. If you disagree, please point me to the
major media outlet that’s been covering the war honestly?
The truth is that this disastrous war is causing hideous longterm damage to
Iraq, to its citizens, to our military, and to the families of our military,
and for what? Be careful what you wish for--if the American Idol-watching
public were made aware of the true state of things, I don’t think that it
would go well for Bush or for the rubber-stamp Republican Congress that
refused to rein him in.
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Dems correctly recognize that they must proceed with care to prevent their
objections from being grossly misrepresented. You call it cowardice, but I
see it as another unavoidable facet of what you like to identify as “The
Game.”
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Well, in this instance, it’s no game.
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That’s my point--it’s never a game, though you’re happy to label it as
such when you’re trying to justify/excuse the latest round of Republican
malfeasance or hypocrisy or felonies (or all of the above).
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They are against the war-- prove it. They need to accept the consequences of
their beliefs. If most of America is REALLY for a pullout, where’s the
harm? Their actions, in theory, would be met with thanks. This is a simple
case of wanting their cake (Tough on terror) and eat it, too (Cut and run).
There is “The Game™”.
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What you’re saying, in essence, is that if Democrats can’t come up with a
quick fix for a disaster that Bush has spent years creating, then somehow the
Democrats are at fault? Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.
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I don’t see an upside of leaving at this time, but I see a big downside. What’s
the rush? I think it is driven more by hatred for President Bush than it is for
a desire for the overall security of the US. Because the war is a policy of
President Bush, the left and dems (with a few noted exceptions) must
knee-jerkedly oppose it.
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And there is no inconsistency between being tough on terror and withdrawing
our forces from Iraq. Only in the minds of Neocons and their apologists are
these two incompatible.
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How exactly would you say it is to be “tough on terror”?
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Please answer these two questions, for the record:
What would qualify as success in Iraq?
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The formation of a stable, democratic [1] state of Iraq.
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What would qualify as failure?
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A Lebanon-type situation, or a 1979 Iranian-type revolution.
JOHN
[1] Wouldn’t have to resemble our form of democracy; there are many examples
in the world today.
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) Democrats aren't, with a few noted exceptions, calling for immediate withdrawal, so your question is misleading. Still, the benefits of departure would be many: among them, we'd stop wasting billions of dollars each month; we'd get our troops (...) (17 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Which would you prefer: a near-total media blackout on the real impact of the Iraq war on its innocent civilians and our soldiers, or honest and thorough reporting of the state of the war? Me, I'd prefer the latter, and it's a shame that we (...) (17 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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