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Re: Worthlessness
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:13:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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I don’t go “I’m contributing to this charity *because* I’m a Christian!”
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You should, or else Dave! is correct.
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or “I’m
helping this little old lady across the street *because* of my Christian
values!”
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You should, or else Dave! is correct.
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Much like, I suppose, you don’t go around saying, “Look at all the good works
I’m doing and I’m doing it without the burden of that Christianity stuff...”
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Not at all the same. I still don’t have a satisfactory answer from atheists to
the question “why do good?” (from a personal standpoint rather than some
overall societal efficiency explanation)
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We try to contribute to the betterness of the world around us. I don’t
‘invoke God’ when I do it, nor I would imagine, you don’t invoke ‘non-God’
when you do it.
It just ‘is the right thing to do.’
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That is an Absolute Morality-type argument, which involves God...
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Some Christians would say your choices to support your fellow person are ‘Gods
laws written on your heart’ even if you don’t believe in Him. Eh, whatever...
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Again, if that were the case, what is the point of believing in Him?
JOHN
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Message has 8 Replies:
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| (...) I don't agree at all. It's this 'do right 'cause you're a Christian' that disenfranchises others from seeing what is, I believe, true Christianity. I try to do good works because it is the right thing to do (more later). Whether that comes (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) If I contribute to a charitable cause, I do it because I have judged the charitable cause to merit my contribution and because I have determined that I am able to contribute. Honestly, that's as much introspection as I give the matter. (...) I (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Because you won't be satisfied? John, you and I do good for the same reasons. Our genes tell us to. They tell us to because by telling us, they enabled us to build a society that protects us against the predators. Mutual beneficence is (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Let me ask you this: If tomorrow you found out for 100% certain that God didn't exist, would you still do good things? Or would you breathe a sigh of releif and start raping babies? I think we do good because we want to. Now, you may think (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Here's an answer for you: I "do good," as you put it, because I have spent time thinking about life, the universe, and my role in it and have decided based on my own observations that mean people suck. I don't believe in any god, but I do (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| Well, My thoughts... The Wyld Stalyns got it right: "Be Excellent To Each Other!"...."Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" was ahead of it's time.. oh, geez...ok, realized that was a bad pun in itself... Ok, I might incite a religious riot after the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Just about every time I've been completely disgusted by a post on Lugnet, it's been for this reason. "Or else Dave! is correct?" So many people around here turn everything into an us-vs-them. Somebody disagrees with your ideas, you could (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Well, I do usually concur with your assessments... I don't go "I'm contributing to this charity *because* I'm a Christian!" or "I'm helping this little old lady across the street *because* of my Christian values!" Much like, I suppose, you (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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