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Re: Should we be concerned?
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Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:45:02 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote:
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How in the world could they elect a guy who was so obviously draft dodger,
adulterer, and liar?
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Shrub has been AWOL and everything about his “military” career was protected and
sanctified by Daddy Shrub himself -- give it a rest. It’s all well covered up
and with the appropriate gloss of “spin”, just like his drug and alcohol record.
So, of course, Shrub is a liar -- but I would yet count those the least of his
lies. Those lies did not have national or international consequences.
Adulterer? Who cares? That’s private stuff between a person and their
respective partner(s).
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I assume you are basing you claim on GWB’s Iraq policy, if so can you
honestly say that his actions in Iraq are any worse than his fathers, or
Kennedy/Johnson’s policy in Vietnam.
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Kennedy made mistakes, but I think it’s possible his heart was in the right
place. Really, I don’t know. It was a scary time and he was part of some very
scary decisions. I don’t care about John and Robert playing tag-team with
Marylin -- that’s the problem of three deceased persons.
Johnson was not a very good president in my opinion. Vietnam was a disaster all
the way around, but it surely wasn’t helped by Kissinger/Nixon -- in fact many
things have been worse specifically because of Kissinger. I made a reference
earlier to Cambodia, I could make another ref now to Timor. Like Sharon and
Shrub, Kissinger should stand before a world tribunal for war crimes and crimes
against humanity.
U.S. foreign policy has been terrifying for decades. That doesn’t exonerate
Shrub for war crimes comitted under his watch. Could we be talking about other,
former presidents? Sure -- but they are not president RIGHT NOW, and Shrub IS.
Shrub is therefore topical, and all those other are not. ‘Nuff said.
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Perhaps you refer to GWB’s usurpation of civil liberties with the patriot
act, I have to go back a bit to find Roosevelt’s internment of the Japanese,
which I would say a bit more severe.
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Again, the past stupid act of a different president doesn’t make things any
better now. Watching anyone’s civil liberties go into the toilet is no better
because the subject may be witchcraft, communism, an identified “enemy”
ethnicity, or percieved status as “terrorist.” Do keep in mind that the
founders of this country did no less a thing than commit treason against their
king in the name of liberty.
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Do I fear that the patriot act may infringe on my rights as a citizen? Yes,
but that is an allowance that I make for safety, much like long
airport lines.
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“They that can trade essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -- Benjamin Franklin
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If it is revealed that GWB was lying, I will be the first to sign a recall
petition (I did just sign one for California’s lousy govenor), but I have
not yet been convinced, in spite of the leftist spin I have heard.
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Spin? The subject of the White House’s manipulation of intelligence is
currently being covered by the national media --at last! No WMD means he lied
-- he has lost the very reason young americans went to a foreign land and risked
their lives. Our service people deserve better than the unethical
prevarications of Shrub. Some young people lost their lives, many more Iraqis
paid an even more gruesome price. People died. Who can now tell us why?
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an asnwer from Shrub. He already has what he
wanted.
-- Hop-Frog
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| <snip> (...) Very good quote. Essentially saying let someone else think and act for me. There have got to be better ways to achieve anti-terrorism goals than promoting fear and division. I wonder how events would have played out post 9/11 had a less (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| Man if I don’t log on for just one day some of these posts just get buried by others. (...) I just had to address this statement. It actually reminded me of the way I felt about Clinton during his presidency. In 1992 when he was first elected I (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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