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Re: Should we be concerned?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:58:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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...since a driver’s license is not a right
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Hmmm, I find this a sticking point.
I believe the right to travel by common conveyance is a right.
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Please cite in the Constitution this “right”.
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If it were
otherwise I’d be stuck at home unless I were willing to obtain whatever
license is necessary to travel -- and then my right to travel would be being
regulated unfairly. And I shouldn’t be relegated to mere walking alone,
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Bus, train, taxi, airplane, unicycle, bicycle, tricycle, Segway; take your pick.
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that’s less than is necessary in the modern world -- and I have a right to
work, to buy groceries, and do all the needed things to survive.
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How about theft?
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I am not a driver or chauffer of any kind -- no cargo, no paying passengers
-- just me and or my family and our personal goods. I am not engaged in some
extraordinary, privileged activity in using a car. To the contrary, if I
were to drive a car I would be engaged in one of the most mundane and
ordinary activities possible in the U.S. in the year 2003.
BUT, I understand the public may have an interest in testing my proficiency
for an activity like driving -- and as such, I think some kind of “operator’s
certificate” would suffice. Basically, an eye exam with a test showing that
I can drive a possibly lethal weapon without causing loss of property or harm
to my neighbors. Maybe test me once every 10-20 years. No attendant,
quasi-ponzi, insurance scheme, thank you very much. I can be responsible for
me and mine.
In my view, the reason they want to license you is tie you into a
quasi-contract via the vehicle code -- basically, to regulate the heck out of
you.
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Yet another conspiracy?
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And with such regulation comes a whole host of regulatory intrusions
and hassles that attempt to prevent that which is unavoidable -- that people
will violate the regulations (often and without aforethought). And I
strongly disagree with both the motivation and the results that are currently
part of our life.
On the subject of the veil, I think a person may have a religious right to
refuse intrusive identification techniques.
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Are you kidding me??? You are asking the state to make exceptions based upon
religion! Hypocrite!
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We are heading too quickly
towards a national I.D. and all manner of other tools of control.
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Invoking a national I.D. argument is specious; a driver’s license is completely
voluntary.
Again, the amazing part to me is that this is even an issue of contention.
JOHN
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) Totally on the same page with John--driving's a priviledge, not a right, and getting a drivers license, as it stands today in many areas, is getting your picture taken such that when and if (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Article 9 and 10 of the Bill of Rights. Would they license a horse? Don't they license motorcycles and bikes? Aren't the roads called "rights of way." We all have the right to travel -- this was recognized as early as Magna Carta in the common (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Hmmm, I find this a sticking point. I believe the right to travel by common conveyance is a right. If it were otherwise I'd be stuck at home unless I were willing to obtain whatever license is necessary to travel -- and then my right to travel (...) (21 years ago, 3-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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