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Re: A Lego display fund raiser
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Tue, 1 May 2001 12:50:09 GMT
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> James responded quite nicely and set FUT .debate. I'm not sure that was
> appropriate since it means we won't hear from Scott, since he doesn't post
> to .debate (his loss, I guess) but I followed suit.
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> Tony, I think the club members had come to quite a nice accomodation, to
> wit, that club members would be getting together to do this but not "flying
> the MICHLUG banner" as it were, because MICHLUG does not and should not
> support one religion in preference of another. (and supporting a fund raiser
> for *retreats* is, make no mistake about it, supporting one religion)...
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> Were I you, I would accept that accomodation. It's one I can live with, as
> well as everyone else, except, apparently, yourself. The alternative is to
> debate this until you realise the error of your ways. Is it worth that
> discord? I don't think so.
>
> One clarification, mostly snipped.
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> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Tony Hedglen writes:
> > In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Chris Leach writes:
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> > > > I (Tony) wanted to talk to you about something.
> > > >
> > > > The Catholic churches are trying to build a new youth center so the youth
> > > > can go to retreat.
> > >
> > > This fund drive, then, is to support religious instruction. While I do
> > > support faith based charities that are providing secular services to those
> > > in need, I can't support this particular one since it is pure and simply...
> > > proselytizing(sp?). I don't support missionary activities.
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> > I’m not asking for someone to support the Catholic Church.
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> But you are indeed doing just that.
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> > If the person did
> > that, then he/she would give money to the cause.
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> Time is money. Putting on shows takes time.
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> > Since the club is doing
> > this for free means the club is not supporting the cause. The club is asked
> > to put on a show.
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> Which you have said you want to be *4 times* the size of Novi. If you think
> that putting something that large together is free of effort you are confused.
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> If you think that this show benefits the club rather than the club
> exhibiting being a draw *for* the show, you are *very* confused.
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> Any time a LEGO club exhibits at a show, it's a draw for that show. That is,
> it has economic value TO THE SHOW. GATS makes up for that by paying
> appearance money. If this organization paid the club appearance money, then
> MAYBE it would not be a donation to the organization on the part of the club
> to do it. But it would have to be a lot of appearance money for it not to be
> a donation by the club. More than GATS pays since we get more benefit from
> exhibiting at GATS than at this show.
>
> Again, I think if members want to do this, great. If they want to mention
> that there exists a club, great. But I would vote against doing this AS A
> CLUB. Subtle but important distinction. You got several members saying they
> want to help. Be satisfied with that.
>
> ++Lar
I’m sorry Larry for replying to your e-mail in the manner that I did. I
didn’t have too good of a day yesterday. I said some thing I should not of
said. We all have our own opinions about things. And your right, it’s nice
that club members can do this. As far as the Michlug banner, I’ll let Chris
decide on that. I really don’t care if the club banner is there or not. I
just hopping there will be enough people to be there. I understand the
reasons you don’t want to be there and that’s fine with me. I really didn’t
want to start a debate on this. I was in a bad mood yesterday and I took
some things out on you. I’m sorry again. Thank you for letting me know that
you won’t be there.
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| Much snippage. (...) Note the "as it were" here. This is a figure of speech, I don't believe MICHLUG or MICHLTC actually *has* a banner. (...) There is no "banner". It was figurative. However, if there were, it would not be Chris's decision to make, (...) (24 years ago, 1-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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