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Re: A Lego display fund raiser
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Wed, 2 May 2001 16:06:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tony Hedglen writes:
> > I apologize to you and you still accuse me of things. The only confusion I
> > have is you. Do you think the club is a business or a club? I’m not in the
> > club to make money; I’m not in the club to support a certain group. I’m in
> > the club to have fun. What do you think the club is? Why are you in the
> > club? Do you have the money to have a big train show in a neutral
> > environment where anybody could be there? My church is asking the club to be
> > there to attract people. Isn’t that what the train show is all about?
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> Tony, please allow me to express my perspective, as a disinterested third
> party:
> In the above snippet you point out that the church (by definition, I think
> we'll agree, a religious institution) would like the club (a group of
> individuals of largely differing backgrounds and faiths) to be there (at the
> church) to attract people. Can you see where this request might make some
> people uncomfortable? Would you, for instance, be willing to have the club
> appear at a KKK rally, or at a meeting of the local Church of Satan? It
> can't be denied that these groups espouse ideals not necessarily shared by
> everyone in the club, and certain club members might understandably not be
> comfortable to have the club as a crowd-attractor at such a function. It's
> the same thing with the church; regardless of its particular views, some
> people in the club don't want the club to become a marketing tool for those
> views.
> To answer your question, the club is most certainly not "all about"
> attracting people to the church.
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> > Where dose the money from the train shows goes? What is the club supporting?
> > Maybe the owner of the building buys drug and gives them to little children.
> > Did you question were the money goes for the Novi shows? The reason you have a
> > problem is because this show is for a Christian cause. It also seems you’re
> > the only one in the club who has a problem. Why dose it matter anyway? Why
> > do you not want to be associated with a Christian group? Now that is the
> > truth. There is no real reason to debate this. You don’t want to go then
> > fine. That’s all you have to say. You’re making a big issue out of your own
> > feelings.
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> It's not a matter of money or even of personal religious views; it's a
> desire not to have the club seen to represent a particular faith or agenda
> if it does not in fact represent that faith or agenda. If the club as a
> whole (or as a majority) decides not to support a particular organization,
> so be it. If, for example, the Libertarian Party wanted the club to appear
> at its Convention, and if the club voted not to participate, I have no doubt
> that Larry would support the club's decision, even if he didn't agree with
> it personally.
>
> Dave!
I will reply to you. Dave! I don’t know where you came from. The questions I
asked were for Larry not you. You jump in here like you’re a part of
something. If Michlug decided to put a show on for the KKK. I would not go.
I’m not going to make a big deal out of it. I wouldn’t care to be in that
environment. But I am not going to run around and dictate what the club can
or cannot do. I just simply will not go. You jump in here and make
insignificant points about something stupid. The issue is Larry dictating
what the club will do. Not whether or not it is appropriate to use the
Michlug “logo”. Using the Michlug “logo” dose not matter to me. I could care
less if we use it or not. I just would like to have an impressive display to
show people. If Larry is not comfortable in a Christian environment then all
he has to say is he will not go. And leave it at that. Not to dictate what
the club will or will not do. That is the point that everyone is failing to
see. And Larry is failing to admit. Now you and your cronies can debate
whether or not Larry tries to make people do what he wants. Have fun!
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| (...) Tony: As you may be aware, anyone on LUGNET can become involved in any discussion on LUGNET, within the strictures of the relevant posting groups. Since .debate is an off-topic forum, and since the .debate is about larger issues than your club (...) (24 years ago, 2-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Tony, please allow me to express my perspective, as a disinterested third party: In the above snippet you point out that the church (by definition, I think we'll agree, a religious institution) would like the club (a group of individuals of (...) (24 years ago, 1-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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