 | | Newsbit: "Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq"
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Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq (URL) edit: you might as well skip the first two paragraphs after the initial quote -- I would have taken them out if it were my article. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You expected me to let you off the hook with this one? (...) Well, Larry, Not so much. I could go off and say that my supposed thinly veiled 'Canadianism' is in direct response to the demonstrable "Americanism", but I won't. You could insert a (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I figured you'd go off on the tangent about who's number one again... and I was right. Address my point and spare us all the chest thumping about how great Canada is (said thumping thinly disguised as a fine puree of denial about what you're (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somehow I doubt that your version of 'what would have happened' in lieu of the 'revolutionary war' is quite the same idea as my version would be. That said, who knows what would have happened if you didn't have your little tea party, and the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, we were running things the way we wanted to and the Brits reacted to that. Too radical for them. (...) Depends on whether we gun-mad 'Mericans start shipping guns to the Quebec separatists. ;-) (...) Hey, I'd love to live in Canada (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We have the spectacle of Ashcroft and his ilk busily disassembling our freedoms, with a rigged election system in place to ensure that it is very unlikely that any non Demopublican will get elected in time to stop it, and you want us to give (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: For Larry and other Libertarians
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(...) So in other words you agree that the posited free rider problem is just a red herring, then? I don't need to provide this cite for you to debunk it, then, but I will toss it in anyway: (URL) The whole rest of the article is riddled with (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: For Larry and other Libertarians
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) But how do you get around the idea that corporations *do* follow the bottom line. I mean, it's inherently what they do. And if the environment gets screwed in the process, that's their (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: For Larry and other Libertarians
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(...) Nice in the sense that it's full of straw dogs like this one: "The only way for the Randvillians to deal with the free riders is to coerce labor on the levees, or assess taxes in lieu of labor. " \ Why don't you, as a thought experiment, see (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | For Larry and other Libertarians
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Though, to be said, Larry has mentioned (iirc) that he's a small 'l' libertarian... (URL) conservatives contend that virtually all economic and social institutions are better managed when privatized and unregulated. According to this libertarian (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) that America - Ashcroft's America - is where we now live. We have plunged headlong into the past. America cringes under the shadow of a militant Homeland Security Act - a ghostly doppleganger of Adolph Hitler's 1933 "Enabling Act," which, to (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Music Downloads and RIAA
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HH43D4.C71@lugnet.com... (...) infringing (...) because I (...) could be (...) right? (...) I just put two things together: Kazaa was sued by the RIAA and found to be not liable for the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Protecting the Environment
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(...) The market should decide. And the market can and *will* reach the right decision. Just make sure that ALL costs are visible and are charged to the parties that should be incurring the costs. Which is the point of the article and of the book. (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the bit where gov't agencies change their mind when it's them that's losing the money. As per usual, money talks. I'm all for capitalistic endeavours, but there has to be a line, and who's going to decide where that line is? THe line (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As of posting the link refers to the June 17th 2003 (released after 18th) article. (URL) Petrucelli (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How grotesque. The nightmare of the Anti-Federalists come to life: that which is not stated explicitly is therefore not a right. Ergo, the 9th Amendment is not worth even the words with which it is stated. Scalia used to impress me with his (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Yaay. Perhaps one of the best rulings so far this term (I was somewhat unimpressed with the U of M law school ruling). (URL) gets it: 'The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Q&A: Will I be sued for music-swapping? (URL) Yikes! That article seems full of misleading and possibly false information. Now, I'm not the expert on these cases but it is my understanding that the student that was sued was actually running only a (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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(...) It was either getting all the formatting right so that my reply looked reasonably good, or just convert it to Plain... Lessee here... FTX away-- (2 URLs) Sparky's Space--Where Sparky has his Space... Oops, now it's almost on-topic! ;) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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Dude: You're killing my gorgeous FTX design scheme with your psycho plain text!!! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip the rest which is great stuff> (...) Gee, if you're Canadian, at least medical comes with the citizenship--you *always* have 1 on the list(not that I'm singing the greatness of Canada--the (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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(...) Wal-Mart Wars (URL) WOULD YOU LIKE a Wal-Mart "supercenter" store to move into your community? Think of the low prices and the convenience of one-stop shopping! You just park once and get whatever you need -- groceries, drugs, plants, toys, (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Military Trial rules felt to be unfair
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Shhh -- don't ask, don't tell. This is not america. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Cato Institute: Leave Iraq as soon as possible
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(...) What's your evidence that either suspicion is justified? Good minds and serious money have been thrown at both issues and we've come up with basically zero. Certainly nothing public, and I can't see why they'd hide it at this point seeing as (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Opposing view editorial in today's USA Today (or "Mc Paper" as I prefer to call it, the WSJ was late getting to the hotel today): (URL) from Cato on this topic: (URL) reiterate my position: - This was a war we should not have sought, should not have (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Military Trial rules felt to be unfair
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From the Associated Press: (URL) have to fix wrapping, sorry) Apparently civilian lawyers are not falling all over themselves to give probono (the government isn't paying for lawyers, these are after all not US citizens we're talking about here) (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | BBC Three's "Bush Family Fortunes: The Third Degree"
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Has anyone seen this and care to comment? -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) I am not nostalgic in the least -- I calls them as I sees them. Mom and Pop may have been inefficient, but so ultimately is ANY "bricks 'n' mortar" location except as a distribution center. For many things it is becoming increasingly clearer (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Newsbits: Distortion of evidence, Faith Bias (as if we didn't know)
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Chief U.N. inspectors criticizes U.S. for insisting Iraq has weapons (URL) "It is sort of puzzling I think that you can have 100 per cent certainty about the weapons of mass destruction's existence, and zero certainty about where they are," he said. (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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"John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:HGzuzJ.EE9@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) really (...) mind is (...) them. (...) unscrupulous (...) the (...) government. (...) That's another reason why I pushed for a completely free system. If there's (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) If you play Monopoly, and your buddy buys up all the properties (including the Railroads), what happens? You end up paying for everything. Now take that to the real world (and many people can see where this is going already--rocket scientists (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Do you have a cite for that? Quantity of patents is not necessarily a metric for quality of scientific innovation. I would say rather that a lot of important advancements and developments (things like the Palm) are made by people who leave (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Sorry I misread then--on this above point I'll completely agree. I saw Wendy Woo in a pub in Denver last Christmas and I bought a few of her CD's and they're extraordinary. Much talent (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Disagree. They compete with each other (Although I do recognize that there are some industries that need to be regulated for the common good). (...) You are being nostalgic. Mom and Pop were inefficient. Walmart brought more variety, more (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) K, not the best example ever, but didn't the entertainment industry go on about 'v-chips' and warning labels on music? Of course they did it so that they wouldn't be 'regulated' into it by (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Not by me... I think they are both good ideas. I just don't know if it or they will fly in the current environment with the BigCorps having their strangleholds on things. We need systemic change to restore the Free Market back to what it once (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) what's up with Canada? First it refuses to support the Bush Administration's little rape-and-pillage adventure in Iraq – which is more than we can say for Democrats in Washington – and now it has legalized civil unions among gays and lesbians. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Dude, that is 20/20 hindsight. What about paying Arnold 20 mil when the film grosses $200 mil? (...) Ahhh, at what point is that? Government intervention? Think it through. (...) I realize that, Dave, but how else can anything get (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Well, it was just an idea along the lines of a 'universal library of stuff' that could be checked out that this thread was going on about. So the ideas about paying the recording artists directly from funds fm the checkouts from this library (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Good. Start a studio, then, and use that funding model. I think you're a sure fire bet to draw lots of big name stars, and more importantly, the smaller named crafts people who do most of the work, because they'll get a better shake. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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