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I don't know either of these people, but the fact that this discussion is being held out in the open for all of the LUGNET community to watch seems pretty immature to me. Sincerely, Aaron Muhl Lifetime Lego fan 5 Year LUGNET fan Not a fan of this (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Just to add my two cents in here. TLC is small-time in comparison to the big-time marketing we do ourselves. Think about it, we speculate on the next release in any given line, we spread around leaked photos of upcoming sets, when they start (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) This is bad. Very, very bad. Suz, this is far more than anybody on lugnet needed to know. Nothing good is going to come from this. (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) As opposed to the "over-care" of the past decades? I think what you consider "lack of care" is actually the LEGO company realising that there are markets outside the US, and that if they don't stop being a US-centric company, they will end up (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Perhaps I am missing something here, but isn't this the kind of thing people are asking for? People want to know about new products. People want to have input into what is coming out. Brad and Jake provide this type of info in the posts cited. Sure (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Suzanne D. Rich writes: [some snippage here...] (...) Er...I tend to usually avoid these type of posts, and the debate column because I am usually outspoken, but I have to get a say here, and of course, I have a few questions. (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Wow, I can barely stand the heat from this firestorm. Listen all, bottom line on this site is that it belongs to Todd and Suz, and they are fully entitled to do whatever they chose. It really does not matter what we users think or demand, ultimately (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Not anymore you don't. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 15-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I don't. I can only respond to what's been made public, and with this issue, a heck of a lot of it has been made public. (...) I can call for an apology because if I were in Jake's position, I would have been quite offended by Suz's post. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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And then you turn around and attack Suz personally, I think you should be banned also. All you really needed was your first paragraph.. Tamy (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general)
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Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: Even if you win, you're still retarded. (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I would argue that all of the following are examples of marketing messages: (7 URLs) isn't to say that it's abuse in any way. I think it's fine.) Let's just be clear that LEGO *is* indeed here to do direct-to-consumer _marketing_ and sales (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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I just had to say something here. I know I'm not a very influencial person around lugnet, and I know I've made a few enemies here. I know that I've opened my mouth and caused a lot of problems here on lugnet, and if the current terms of use had been (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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"Benjamin Medinets" <bmedinets@excite.com> wrote in message news:GxpK80.59p@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) objectives (...) </snip> I've one answer to this unfair treatment: 3033 Duq (from europe) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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I've just been reading the best part of this thread, and I must say I'm amazed.... Amazed at the lack of respect for 'The Community' and for The Lego Company. And amazed at the amount of patience from TLC. I honestly do not see why representatives (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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I must say I am very disappointed. I knew Lugnet has been going downhill for some time, but this just confirmed my fears. When the administrator of the site engages in the same bickering that she comdemns that shows lack of proper leadership. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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While I don't know enough to comment on TLC presence at Lugnet, I can say if I got treated this way, I would shy away from posting/dealing with Lugnet too. One cannot treat folks in a hostile, suspicious manner and expect them to be overjoyed to (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Suz, I'd appreciate an answer (too). --Bill. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) See if you can bend the ear of a reporter who deals with this sort of issue. LEGO prides themselves on great customer service, i.e. public relations. If LEGO is brought to task publically for this kind of behavior which so dramatically favors (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Todd, Dan, etc.: This user, "LUGNET Admin" <suz@lugnet.com> is engaging in personal attacks. Please disable her access until she is ready to apologize for this wholly inappropriate response. XFUT: lugnet.admin.general (Suz: You have lost the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general) !!
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(...) How is this any better than having the message appear in the other group? On the web interface, it looks the same - the list of messages in the thread, when viewed from the other group, includes the official LD message. If you allow this type (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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"LUGNET Admin" <suz@lugnet.com> skrev i meddelandet news:GxpBMz.4q4@lugnet.com... (...) You may be right, Suz, and you may be wrong... The way you've handled this doesn't seem very mature to me... The issue should have been kept in private e-mail, (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I think the initial intent was to keep from being "strongarmed" by Lego into actually being a real commercial force. IE, ad banners, ONLY pro-Lego propaganda (no flames on TLC's business decisions, etc, like juniorization qualms), etc. Also, (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I meant that it seems, in retrospect, as though TLC has done so much taking and so little giving. That tends to makes me feel uneasy from time to time. (...) As I understand it, it has always been important to TLC that it not sponsor (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Todd, isn't the very existance of Lugnet a de facto advertisement for Lego, and isn't that a good thing? I mean, everyone here is a Lego consumer, by definition. AFOL: Adult Friend Of Lego. We all buy Legos. We all like building with Legos. We (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Hello, I'm wondering why it's not possible to let TLC post coloured if the topic is TLC-related (like announcements or official answers) and uncoloured (like we all) if the topic is normal discussion between us. This works fine at 1000steine.de, (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) This whole thread has gotten out of hand! This seems to be the point where the "public" communications fall apart. I don't wish to take sides, particularly where we're all assumed to be on the *same* side. For what it's worth, what I see here (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Perhaps so, but only because the representatives of the fandom have made it at times difficult to remain fans (of this particular interactive medium, at least). If Jake is truly worried that AFOL's will object to such LD comments as "we can't (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) As far as these types of things go, I think the response we've gotten from TLC is that Europe's just a better/more loyal consumer than North America. I remember (I think at BrickFest '01? Maybe a different time...) Brad talking about stores in (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I'll stay out of the more heated portion of this and let Suzanne reply to the other stuff when she gets a free moment, but I can answer the above portion, at least from my personal viewpoint, by giving links to some previous posts: (4 URLs) (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) To all: this is my last post here, but I feel strongly that this has to be said. Please forgive my bluntness. Suz: I just wanted to say a personal thanks to you for singlehandedly driving the self-proclaimed "friendliest place on the internet" (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct) !!
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(...) I think that you two have been tremendously good at thinking into the future and setting things up right to avoid all kinds of potential pitfalls. But in this case, what harm could crop up that you could not remedy if you just let them post (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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Interesting… How you presume to know the intricacy of the situation at hand between two individuals!?! And what is even more fascinating is how you endeavor to draw judgment and call for an “apology” from this individual. And all this regarding a (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) One thing I seen....is the apparent lack of "care" TLC has really put forth in north america. There still is a wide gaps in quality products between Europe and North America. Sure its nice to have 2 fulfillment centers, but why does one have (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) To Suz et All, I, as many of the members of the community, am thoroughly disappointed with your course of action, Suz. Infantile isn't descriptive enough of a word to talk about what you've just done. Not only have you shot yourself in the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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~O.K. now everyone’s overreacting! Lugnet is looking out for it’s best interests… Lego is looking out for it’s best interest… And I'm sure FBTB is doin’ the same thing too… But before anybody does anything rash lets just take a step back and reflect (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know that I personally harbor a fear of LUGNET becoming a platform for free advertising for TLC. I don't really know what harm would befall the community from that, but it seems somehow wrong. I don't know how to express this fear (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Why? I see no reason to differentiate between two people simply because one had the luck and skill to get a job at the same place we would all love to work for. It seems to me that an employee of Lego is more likely to be an AFOL than not, and (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Jake, I'm glad to hear that. We're very interested in that as well. On the one hand, we want to keep the groups as pure and fan-to-fan as possible and remain true to that vision, but on the other hand, we want everyone to enjoy as close (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct) !
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(...) I am disappointed in you, Suz. Your post was rude and uncalled for, and Jake deserves an apology. It is also a prime example of why the level of interaction between the community and Lego has dropped recently. How can you expect anyone to post (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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