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Re: Mladen Pejic... Cool down.
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Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:16:05 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.general, Christopher Snead writes:
> > So please, respect Mladen's (or anyone else's) wishes. Ask beforehand if you
> > plan on posting an MOC with your name on it that obviously uses his ideas.
> > Otherwise, he may be forced to become a lot more protective of his creations;
> > and I'm sure nobody wants that!
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> I'm not sure I picked the most relevant part of your post, but whatever...
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> But, I strongly disagree with this view of yours. As others have already
> pointed out, there are only so many ways the bricks go together -- AND it's
> a toy for crying out loud! Perhaps someone hasn't even seen someone else's
> creations and still comes up with the same solution as that person.
I disagree with this. I've seen the scorpion leg design, and it is almost
identical to Mladen's. I don't think the design was outright stolen; in fact,
it is very likely that Rick came across Mladen's design at some point, and it
worked its way into his subconscious, only to manifest itself later in his
MOC's. There are other cases involving Mladen's mechs which were much more
clear cut. And statistically, the number of ways in which to combine even a
few Lego elements is extremely large. The point is, had Mladen never posted
images of his mechs, Rick's mech would have almost certainly looked
differently.
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> And to be honest, if Mladen doesn't want to post because of this, so be it.
> I will not exactly lose sleep over it.
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> There is an inverted element that is a quarter dome shape that I have been
> using in a particular way and hoping to post about it first - but guess
> what? Three other persons beat me to the punch! So what! Boo hoo -- woe is
> me?! Do I cry foul? Do I whine about the use of "MY" ideas? Will I credit
> others for coming up with the exact same configuration of bricks? Not
> bloody likely...
Like I said, it is a personal preference which people should respect. I, for
one, hope that others find inspiration from my work, so that I can give back to
such a wonderful resource as Lugnet.
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> Get over it!
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> It's not like we are talking about a wholly original invention or a work of
> art that is intrinsically the work of Mladen and Mladen alone. Let Mladen
> write a novel, paint a picture, sculpt in clay, or write some code and we
> will grant him the rights to such a work. I think playing with Lego has to
> be seen as belonging to another category...
An artist who chooses to make a sculpture ou of cans of Coca-Cola or something
like that has the right to be protective of his or her work. It's not
neccessarily the medium of creativity as much as it is the vision of the work.
Mladen wouldn't be the first person to use Lego to express artistic creativity.
I realize that there are many different views regarding this issue, and that
mine is just one. True, people will continue to do as they wish with regards
to MOC's. I would just hope that people consider why Mladen is so upset, and
that there might be others not so quick to curse out an individual (which I in
no way condone), but who feel just as strongly and hurt by the copying of
their work. I just want to see Lugnet a happy, comfortable place for everyone,
and I fear that this issue might serve to harm that realization.
Christopher
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> -- Hop-Frog
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| (...) So are you saying then that each of us must do a search of all the creations we've looked at to make sure we properly credit any ideas we might have subconsciously used? If we expect that level of search for prior art, we won't be seeing very (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Mladen Pejic... Cool down.
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| (...) Yeah, and Duchamp can hang a urinal on the wall and call it a "ready-made" or whatever too. That doesn't make it art! Funny though it may be...maybe even conceptually profound. And I think the manufacturer of the urinal might have something to (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Mladen Pejic... Cool down.
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| (...) Let assume that the leg designs are all same (they are not). So what? Lego is a *toy* right? And everyone can made versions of the models that they see around, or made improvement to them or use part of it. What this gives or takes from you? (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) I'm not sure I picked the most relevant part of your post, but whatever... But, I strongly disagree with this view of yours. As others have already pointed out, there are only so many ways the bricks go together -- AND it's a toy for crying (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)
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