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I just skimmed this whole thread while waiting for a compile. I certainly do not want to stand here and claim that I have never done things to annoy others and I certainly do not want to stand here and claim that JW doesn't need to change his ways, (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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I thought this mentoring thing was already done with him.. when it came to doing parts??? from what I've read.. I haven't checked any of them though.. it seems to have helped a little as far as his parts??? though it seemed as of the time he then (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Sure, that's always possible. On the other hand, perhaps they have finally let JW under their skin to the point that their emotions finally allow them to be rational and fair -- finally seeing the problem for what it is, in other words -- and (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:37b44e0d.143876...net.com... (...) Yup. When it's just things that annoy me a little, I overlook them as I have a rather high tolerance for such things. But when it begins to really harm the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Mookie skrev i meddelandet <37B4507F.81B41AA8@w...tt.net>... (...) Well, throwing people out of the door is not the most pedagogic (w/sp?) way of teaching them, is it? -- Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: (2 URLs) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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But what I really hate is people that can't figure out the line length settings on their newsreader! Sorry folks. -John Van John VanZwieten <john_vanzwieten@email.msn.com> wrote in message news:FGF37K.5D7@lugnet.com... (...) a rather high tolerance (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I never said anything about doing that... I even said Time will tell at the end of the message. Though.. to that question.. here's another answer... When your employer asks you many times to do something, and you still don't do it how they (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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I just figured it was the group.. you guys are more used to having to adjust your line lengths in order to post .dats.. so I kind of excused that :) there's a good reason.. and one I won't b*tch about :) Keep those .dats a flowing!!! Tamy (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) You seem to suppose that everyone who's willing to learn some craft is worth taking the time to teach that craft. Whatever happened to independent learning? --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Aaaaaaah. Now I stop scrolling back and forth. I was starting to get a bit seasick. ;) for everyone. Steve (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Must be one heck of a system, to compile that slowly. (...) Yes and no. I'm trying not to reiterate too much here. On other lugnet ng's, I'd be willing to say that jw is just annoying. But under lugnet.cad, he occasionally reaches the level of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Here in the US, yes. Unfortunately that is not the case in all of Europe, though. And we're talking about volunteerisim here. Just as a side point I almost destroyed an entire club once trying to apply the way the working world works to (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) The very fact that the question was asked and acknowledged as possible will in and of itself help matters a great deal, I feel. I shan't belabor it any more. (...) Hmm... was nodding my head. Then I jerked. Realised that there is a line (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm a fast reader. And it was a big system. And javac is slow. There's a reason my laptop has 192 meg of memory. But I digress. (...) Yes. Agreed. I ask so that people can nod their heads and say "no, I am calm. Action must be taken" The act (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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At 10:26 PM 8/13/99 , Larry Pieniazek wrote: snip a good analogy... (...) I think too hastily would have been in February. But now is long past due. He has been asked and told and demanded time upon time to change his mannerisms, his floods of (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) First I feel that I must apoligize to the Lugnet group. I am new here and have made several smart alec comments about Jonathan. I did not appreciate the scope of the problem nor the seriousness of the Lugnet users. That said I would like to (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For sociological reasons, yes? --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Indeed! BTW, if someone is being a major PITA in a group, does that in effect become a barrier to entry of sorts? :-/ (...) By "posting filters" I didn't quite mean barriers to -entry- (to beginning to participate, that is) -- although this (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman skrev i meddelandet <37b47be5.155614673@...et.com>... (...) of (...) I didn't _suppose_ anything, I just wrote down a gut reaction. When a group starts throwing people out, it's the beginning of group decay. Some people will always be on (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) True, but in this case throwing Jonathan out would not lead to factions. His posts have been an *entire group* annoyance and though many people have tried to help him throughout these months he has refused this help by his silence. It would be (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) [...] Bryce, excellent post, thanks for sharing. I think when someone who recently joined the group sees a large problem here like the rest of us, its really time to do something about it. And I don't think any harm was done by your 'smart (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Ok... I think this is getting off the beaten track some here... I don't think anyone minds Jonathan asking questions... what they do mind is the tone of his messages. Which he's been called one more than once.. I also don't think anyone would mind (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For logical reasons. To be fired, you have to be employed, or at least there has to be some sort of fixed arrangement that you can be dismissed from (you can be fired from a volunteer job, but you can't be "fired" from hanging around the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) OK, I'll go back and answer the question (with my own *opinion*, naturally!) even though it may have been a rhetorical question. No, throwing people out the door is *not* the most pedagogic way of teaching them. Of course not. (Pedagogic (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Correct, we're almost the exact same age. I think the difference is less than a week. (Tim, wasn't your birthday late February (mine's March 4) --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yeah, that's right. Mine is February 27th. -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 Commonwealth Edison: What do you do with OUR power? Get paid to surf the web! Visit: (URL) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) difference is less (...) March 4) (...) And then mine's March 14(2 years later) so we have three bdays within about two weeks time. Ryan "We're here to serve God, glorify Him, and share his light with others." Avery Johnson (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Heh cool :) Us Lugnet youngn's are all from around the same time of year :) (...) :) -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 Commonwealth Edison: What do you do with OUR power? Get paid to surf the web! Visit: (URL) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37B5A8FA.53861C...ger.net... (...) This is the type of thing I've been worried about. Is this doing more harm or good. I am a relatively new part author (1 year of experience). I'm working on a (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:4.2.0.58.199908...omm.com... (...) :) (...) Well I'm an old'un (28), but I was born on March 15th. :) Adam (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Absolutely. It goes on frequently in the world. (...) Ideally, it should be for the good of both. Hurting another's feelings isn't the issue (though it happens), and it never should be when there are things to be gained by both sides in a (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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If you post a message along the lines of "I'm trying to make the crossbow and I am having trouble getting the intersection of where the loop folds into the stock, here's what I tried to do 1. bla 2. bla 3. bla That worked for me when I intersected (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Mookie wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> Reminds me of a joke.... (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Well, yes and no, right? * Yes in the sense that "ostracism" means (1) "a method of temporary banishment by popular vote without trial or special accusation practiced in ancient Greece" and (2) "exclusion by general consent from common (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Suggestions for asking questions: Be as specific as possible. In this case, you are working on a specific detail, so you could post the part, with the problem-areas marked by comments: 0 *** The following 4 lines don't work right *** <bad line (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) BTW, if the group does decide to hold a vote on this, I'll be sitting on the sideline -- I won't be casting a vote on this. For the record, however -- and this is only my opinion having followed this very closely since its inception -- I do (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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JOHN! why do you always do that.. and don't tell us the joke????? Ok.. maybe it's not always you.. though everytime someone says that.. they don't tell us the joke :( I happen to like jokes! lots of them :) so.. wanna tell me in e-mail then (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) A common priviledge here on lugnet is being able to post to any group, which would be revoked if the vote is against him. Exclusion from social acceptance could be achieved by no one answering his posts even with an "I don't know/don't (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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I think I may have started that particular annoying thing here, since I've done it a few times, some of them before JN got here. So be mad at me. You just have to post asking for the joke. IRL it's polite to say "reminds me of a joke" and wait, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Whoops! There are two #5's up there, eh? :o) By the second #5, I really meant the lugnet.starwars group in particular, although other people may have discovered other areas of related concern, disgust, or disappointment. For instance, there's (...) (25 years ago, 15-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Ok, what do you call a woman with no a$$hole? <scroll to bottom> (...) Answer: "Single" (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I believe I have solved this problem, but I will use everyone's suggestions when I need to post a question in the future. Thanks, Adam Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Do all puns gravitate to this subject? -Tom McD. when replying, spamcake races start today, doo dah, doo dah... (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Don't assk me. I'm not an asstronomer. -John (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) *Shift* Key Tom.... :) (Or is it ;-) ) :P (and call me stupid cause its only on my way to pressing the send button that I found the 'yanospamhoo' - where's the spamcake? Spamcaaaaake! Spamcaaaaake!!) -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) About these voting options, the votes for a more severe restriction should carry over to a less severe restriction if that particular restriction recieves the 2/3 majority votes. For example: 25% vote for removal from lugnet.* 50% vote for (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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I support what you are trying to do in the voting but it may be more straightforward to present a series of up/down propositions and commentary that the broader ones will supercede the narrower ones if passed. (...) Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com (...) (25 years ago, 16-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That doesn't follow. The choices aren't mutually exclusive, are they? I thought these were separate, independently voted-upon percentages. If so, then they can't be combined mathematically as described above. Consider: If you had 95% vote for (...) (25 years ago, 17-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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