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(...) And in all seriousness, I want to assure you that I read this charter before making both of my recent posts. Despite the current state of LUGNET, I have no desire to attempt to skirt charters just for the sake of promoting a website. (...) Now (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Maybe your mail is being bounced silently on the way in or out? I sent you a complaint via email when you posted the second time but got no reply, leading me to believe you never saw it or your reply never made it back to me. (...) Read the (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't know what the ratios are as to who uses the web vs. nntp interfaces, but for people using nntp there is no easy way to access the charter of a newsgroup. --Bill. (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) My apologies for making any assumptions. I wondered if the mail had perhaps bounced at the other end without generating an error at my end. (...) As mentioned (twice or three times now) I did, most certainly, read the charter for that group. I (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Is it true that there's no easy way? When I was viewing lugnet via NNTP I had my newsreader set to never discard posts (that was a long time ago, it took a lot less space than it would now) so I could go look at post #1 in a group without too (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) You asked how one is supposed to determine things. I answered. No critcism of your first post to .announce was intended, I've said (twice or three times now) that it fits the charter as it's written. I think the charter needs changing but (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Is it always in message #1? What if the charter has been revised at some point later on? It's easy in my newsreader (emacs+gnus) to jump to message #1, or any message in the group I'm reading if I know its number, but I didn't think that was (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Because of revisions, the most current charter is not always post #1 but with a news reader you should be able to sort by topic. Locate message #1 and then sort to see if others show up with the same topic heading. With a news reader this is (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) If this is a problem, and I'm not sure it is, I'm sure Todd could have the server automatically re-post the charter every X days or N posts. A quick look at .announce shows that the group consistently receives highlighted posts: (URL) on this, (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GpErx5.HCE@lugnet.com... (...) NNTP I (...) ago, it (...) in a (...) with a (...) then (...) Scott A (...) it (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't use the NNTP interface, but isn't the first message in each group it's charter? So if your newsreader supports it, you could just look at the first message, and see the charter? Also, if you're trying to look up the charter, I don't (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Charters are always post #1. One thing to remember is that while Lugnet appears to be an NNTP server with an e-mail interface and a very nifty web interface, it's really a huge data base, with NNTP, e-mail, and web interfaces. Requesting post (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I honestly can't remember if this is true or not once the charter got revised... LUGNET in general has a policy that posts never are modified, ever, but I forget if that policy applies to charters. I *thought* BST has had charter revisions but (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) GREAT idea. (...) Well, many groups have a blurb at the top which is the group specific part of the charter. But providing a link to the whole thing is a good idea too, and I've done that for trains and trains.org. I suggest other curators (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ... (...) I agree. (...) I disagree. Rather than each curator adding a link, the charter link should be part of the page. At the bottom of the page, there are already a link to 'Terms of Use'. 'Newsgoup Charter' would be a natural next to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <snip> it is. The charter for each newsgroup is in the top left corner of the page for that newsgroup. Which makes Larry's link redundant, although it does prove that charter messages are not modified to reflect the updated charter for a (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.faq)
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(...) Messages posted to a .announce group show up in the "top stories" much more quickly than mssages not in an .announce group. My cynical nature suggests to me that this is at least partly the reason it is posted to (inappropriately) so often. (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) (should have said "as a stopgap") (...) Good idea. (...) Agreed. but as as stopgap, seems better than nothing. It's still not clear to me if the text that appears at the top is the group specific text from the original charter, from the latest (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Right. The algorithm for determining the entries into top stories automatically gives heavier weight to stuff posted into .announce... a fine example of the law of unintended consequences, subclass "you get what you measure for"... ++Lar (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It appears that you are more cynical than I. However, even a cynic has to admit that 8/10 is a good strike rate... Scott A (who is not one bit cynical) (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> From: (URL) precedence is given to announcements and lower to administravia, market, and off-topic messages. " 8 out of 10 proves only that the algorithm is working as designed, and boosting (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well that depends on how much "extra precedence" is given. That point aside, perhaps a cynic would admit that the fact that more than half of the last 100 messages have been highlight/spotlighted is quite impressive. Is any other group better? (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) yes, it's autogenerated, from the database's idea of what the charter is for that group. Dan (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It's broke, unless the charter is changed. (URL) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm. You deleted my point rather than answer it... funny that. (...) I'm not so sure. It is all a matter of interpretation. ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'll take Todd's interpretation over yours, thanks. Hence my cite. You may want to read it. Here it is again for your convenience: (...) But it is a different question from whether some posts to .announce are currently in violation of the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, unless the charter was revised in a later message. I made this suggestion earlier, but I think it got lost in the noise so I'll repeat it: what if the confirmation e-mail contained text asking the user to make sure the message complies (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) heh, heard ya the first time, and I like the idea... I'll see if I can find time to code this... :) Dan (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This was a good suggestion, and needs to be expanded to the web interface: On the page for posting a message, there could be either the entire text of the charter for the group being posted/replied to, or at least a link to it. To cover (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Would having a link in the nntp headers to the groups charter (as a 'X-' line) be of any help? It'd allow you to go to any post and click on it and get the charter. Since the Web already has a equivalent (the link in corner thing) so it could (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think this is where we may have gotten off track Larry. I *suspect* you may be very interested in having the charter(s) updated as a way of addressing your pet peeve(s). And this is should have been understood by me. It wasn't and I (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Allan Bedford writes: <mostly well considered and not disagreed to by me so I snipped it> except for this: (...) No, it *isn't* just my opinion... it seems to be the opinion of the person who wrote the charter. And he ought (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I have allowed myself to be misunderstood/deviated. As I said before, I am not sure anything needs to be done on this issue. If people really want to find a charter for any group I expect they will find it. I am just not aware of a flood of (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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I can only fully agree with your posting ... and have a question. (...) <mea culpa> This is exactly what I do. </mea culpa> My newsreader (Outlook Express for Mac) doesn't seem to offer a way to see the group charter. I know this is a weak excuse, (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) as promised, it's now in place. When you get the email confirmation, you should get links to all the charters of the groups you're posting to. :) Dan (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Very cool, thanks! --Bill. (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yep, it's there, and it's good to have a convenient way to get to charters. But I notice that (at least in Pine) the charter links are more than a screenful of text below the front of the message. If all I did was reply with my "x" in the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) well, I'm open to suggestions - though I think the message authentication part is more important... especially after the first time you post. These links are more to allow you to look up a charter when you need it, than to force you to read it (...) (23 years ago, 8-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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