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Re: Proper place to post US S@H Phone Specials
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lugnet.admin.general
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Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:11:32 GMT
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blisses@worldnet.att.net (Steve Bliss) writes:
> > Advantages of a .lsahs group: (1) covers all of LSAHS -- not just phone
> > specials; (2) good in terms of FAQ.
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> Minor point: you're thinking of a .lsah group, not .lsahs. .lsah would
> cover all of S@H, .lsahs would be just the specials.
I've always equated
LSAHS = LEGO Shop At Home Service
because of the official name being "Shop At Home Service" as shown on the
catalogs that come in themail.
> How about .lsah.specials? Then at some time a 'real' .lsah group could
> be created, if there was sufficient need.
Mmm, interesting. What goes in front of .lsah.specials?
A lugnet.<something>.lsahs.specials newsgroup ought to naturally cover...
(a) phone specials,
(b) flyer specials -- such as the current barely-advertised Nebula
Outpost special, and maybe also
(c) the special discounts in the middle of the book -- like Launch
Command accessories for $1.50 and the buy 10-get-one-free thing.
...because not everyone gets every S@H catalog.
> > Related question: Is there a word in the same vein as "specials" that
> > encompasses all of the following: (a) S@H phone specials, (b) %-off sales
> > at retail chains, (c) repeatable [not one-of-kind] FOTW's, and (d) coupon
> > awareness?
>
> Specials, discounts, sales, reductions.
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> > I can't get my brain un-stuck from dearly favoring the idea of a separate ng
> > for "all things S@H" -- even if traffic is low
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> I agree, even if it's only to give S@H a special place in the FAQ-tree.
>
> > -- but I'm not sure that it
> > really truly belongs in the .market subtree. The .market tree was designed
> > as a high-traffic, high-noise, person-to-person marketplace area rather than
> > a shopping discussion area.
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> Most shopping discussion is highly time-sensitive (retail sales are
> typically only good for a week), location-sensitive (geography,
> phone-in, online), low-size threads, high-noise. That sounds like a
> sub-group of .market.
Well, with the current definition of .market (intra-community virtual
marketplace), shopping stuff really belongs elsewhere, doesn't it? However,
the definition of .market could be changed to encompass more things than
inter-personal market stuff -- i.e., shopping and all that -- if necessary.
> > Let's revisit the idea of the .shopping tree which was brought up in
> > September -- I forget why it got canned anyway.
>
> .shopping sounds like a reasonable approach as well. But I guess I keep
> thinking that .market could end up a good distance away from .shopping,
> in terms of the list of groups.
What do you think about lugnet.market.shopping? That works for me just
about as well as a plain-old lugnet.shopping.
But -- the disadvantage I see there is that it doesn't allow for much long-
term expansion, because the name is getting so long already. If "shopping"
were abbreviated to "shop," it might help some, but then lugnet.market.shop
sounds like quite a different newsgroup from lugnet.market.shopping; with
.shop, we'd need the subgroups there from the get-go in order to make it
clear (from the very names in place) that it's not a place to shop but a
place to talk about shopping.
Are names like
lugnet.market.shop.caldor lugnet.market.shopping.caldor
lugnet.market.shop.etoys lugnet.market.shopping.etoys
lugnet.market.shop.k-mart lugnet.market.shopping.k-mart
lugnet.market.shop.lsahs lugnet.market.shopping.lsahs
lugnet.market.shop.target lugnet.market.shopping.target
lugnet.market.shop.toys-r-us lugnet.market.shopping.toys-r-us
lugnet.market.shop.fao-schwartz lugnet.market.shopping.fao-schwartz
getting too long? Hrmm, they still sound to me like a place to shop, rather
than a place to talk about shopping. Maybe it's the presence of .market
there that's throwing me. Compare:
lugnet.shop.caldor lugnet.shopping.caldor
lugnet.shop.etoys lugnet.shopping.etoys
lugnet.shop.k-mart lugnet.shopping.k-mart
lugnet.shop.lsahs lugnet.shopping.lsahs
lugnet.shop.target lugnet.shopping.target
lugnet.shop.toys-r-us lugnet.shopping.toys-r-us
lugnet.shop.fao-schwartz lugnet.shopping.fao-schwartz
I think the whole .shopping thing has more potential to explode into more
subgroups over time than the .market thing -- and although they're similar
in terms of people buying things and posting lots of short-term data,
shopping threads about sales and promotions tend to generate a lot more
group discussion, whereas WTB's and WTT's tend to generate more offline
private e-mail discussion.
What are the arguments again -for- having shopping stuff inside the .market
hierarchy?
1. Closer together in the alphabetical newsgroup listing
2. Easier to move follow-up threads from shopping group into the
.market.buy-sell-trade group
3. (other?)
I think the set of all people who shop for bargains and buy things at retail
chains in general is 5-10 times larger than the set of all people who buy
and sell things online from other people within the online LEGO community.
That's another reason I see .shopping as a totally separate entity -- both
in terms of FAQ's and ng subscriptions -- keeping in mind of course that
discussions migrate to .market.buy-sell-trade as appropriate, just as they
do from .trains or .build or wherever.
--Todd
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| (...) Todd, an idea... IMO, the word "market" says that it's stuff we're selling online, not official retailers, which I'm assuming don't sell here. Even if they did, they could still use market.buy-sell-trade. I guess we're concerned about passing (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
| | | Re: Proper place to post US S@H Phone Specials
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| (...) Oops, sorry. My misunderstanding. (...) Well, that is open to discussion. I don't have a strong opinion on lugnet.market.lsahs.specials or lugnet.shopping.lsahs.specials. (...) Good point. (...) I guess that's what I was suggesting as a (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) Minor point: you're thinking of a .lsah group, not .lsahs. .lsah would cover all of S@H, .lsahs would be just the specials. (...) How about .lsah.specials? Then at some time a 'real' .lsah group could be created, if there was sufficient need. (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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