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(...) Not entirely true. Chris (URL) his contest out of respect for Todd - which shows that Chris does not respect Todd's choices in who Todd has elevated to Admin status. (...) It followed the established process for suspensions. An Admin proposed (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Is it required? (...) Then I object again. (...) And yet, Admins can insult and berate sarcastically and have no warnings or admonishment of any kind? (...) Kevin (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) It is required that all other members be respected. Those who have volunteered to give their time and efforts to the better good, especially. On a more legalistic note, posts by Admins as Admins (using the @lugnet address) should be considered (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) You require is completely unreasonable. Good luck enforcing it. What is required is that people be treated with respect, which is not the same as having respect for them. Again, I will point out that Larry has been extremely disrespectull in (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps I should word my responce differently. To me, treating someone with respect is essentially the same as respecting them. Regardless, treat everyone with respect. (...) Well, you asked whether it was a vote. I thought maybe you thought (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Yes, I have been and will continue to do so. I view them very differently. Maybe its just me. snip (...) Is the line the same for Admins, or are they held to a higher standard? (...) Me too, but it is nap time. Have a good evening, and thanks (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote: <snip> (...) I go play with my LEGO collection for an evening, leaving y'all alone and this is what you come up with??? Wow. Here's the thing--now, that the dust is settling, and we all have hindsight, (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !
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(...) YAY Dave!!!!!!! Pushed to protest..... I tried earlier to get suspended, I came really really close, but apparently it's not that easy to do. I sent this email to Todd, from which he sent it out to the rest of the admins with my permission. (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !!
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(...) What I don't understand Janey - is how does anyone see what Chris did as analogous to what is normally done here on Lugnet? When I read his post, I don't see rhetoric, I don't see criticism, I don't see anything that could be construed as (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Lenny, Why is he so unpopular? If it is due to his poor interpersonal skills, why not have him do the behind the scenes stuff? Scott A (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Sage advice. (...) You raise a good point there. In the future this needs to be taken under advisement if things become personal for whatever reason. (...) You ask a lot of good, tough questions in this post, and these being discussed in the (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) I have another question Todd: If an admin has their posting privileges suspended, do they still have input on decisions about other member's posting privs? ROSCO (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) An excellent question, Ross! I would suppose it depends on the nature of the admin's suspension. If a conflict of interest is present, then I believe input should be limited. We're in new territory lately, so I can't give a truly official (...) (16 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Okay, I was holding off replying, but the night is getting short, so I am going to try to explain this to the best of my ability... Sorry it's a "novel". First of all, I can see many points of views/sides to this story. 4 that I will touch on, (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !
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(...) The contest is unique - it was a public attempt to remove someone from Lugnet. I feel that its flagrant-ness, plus Chris's obmission that it was not intended as a joke, move it from the 'only on this site' situation. I feel that it contradicts (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Oh My Goodness--so anything that happens on another website but pertains to someone who posts on LUGNET can get you 'timed out' from LUGNET? Is this an unstated-but-official policy? So if I were to post something in my blog at Sparky's Space (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Lenny, you don't seriously believe Chris violated that do you? Even if anyone WAS prepared to enter, it would be Larry, not Chris, not the entrant who would be making the decision to leave. Chris has not restricted Larry's use of the (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Listen, I was really offended by your "Get Calum to leave rtlToronto and Win a Metroliner" contest! :) Calum (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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David Koudys wrote in message ... (...) an (...) at (...) Not "anything that happens on another website but pertains to someone who posts on LUGNET". This was specifically aimed at getting multiple people to harass someone (doesn't matter that it (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) "Trying", yes. But the ToU cited does not mention anything about "trying". Nor should it. ROSCO (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I've been trying to help everyone understand. But you're right - I shouldn't have been doing that. I made the decision, with other Admins, and I am comfortable with it. As I have stated several times, I believe Chris broke the ToU, and whether (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Now that's something different again. That means the ToU mean diddly squat, all that matters is the Admins' interpretation of them. So even if I agree to the ToU, I can still be suspended on the grounds that I broke the ToU, if the Admins all (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Leonard, The contest was created in a domain other than lugnet. You bring the topic to lugnet. In doing so, you forced it to be a "not only on this site" situation. Suddenly now the ToU applies to the contest. I still don't get that. I'll ask (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !!
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I responded in this post: (URL) I read and responded to this post: (URL) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote: -snip great post- Kevin - awesome post. I just wish it was outside the Admin tree so all could see it when it was spotlighted. I hope we get some sort of REAL answer to your points. I think it was bad (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !!
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(...) Unfotunatly, given Leonard's post, it seems that all that we say here is irrelevent. (...) Todd has been a gentleman and addressed some of my issues, but I doubt very seriously that any of my questions regarding the justification of Chris' (...) (20 years ago, 5-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I completely agree with the above statements as I have witnessed and experienced much of what Kevin spoke of. OnDrew . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (20 years ago, 6-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Wow! LUGNET is becoming more and more like a soap box opera every day! Soon I won't feel bad about not having cable anymore. Keep up the good work. (20 years ago, 6-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Although not granted an actual suspension due to my protest I have limited my postings to .admin and have imposed a self suspension for all other groups on Lugnet, during this time I have greatly considered the intent of my actions. I (...) (20 years ago, 6-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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I (...) Kevin, you raise a valid point here. This is not to take a personal snipe at admins, but it seems this whole "situation" that the Admins get to do what they want because "they are selfless volunteers for the greater good". I personally (...) (16 years ago, 7-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Hi Ben, I have been in email contact with the Admin team, and *know* that this and many other points raised in this thread have been noted, as indicated by a few of Todd's post. Noted is a serious understatement, but I cannot come up with (...) (16 years ago, 7-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Clearly the Admins have apologised for their (unspecified) errors. However, how can members (I'm not one) accept an apology when those involved are not willing to say what they are apologising for? In the past transgressors have been asked to (...) (16 years ago, 7-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) <snip> I'm with Kevin on this--the points have been made and now lie in the purview of the admins. Rehashing the ground will just cause added consteration for parties (...) (16 years ago, 7-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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