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| | | (...) Assuming the information is "personal" rather than "common knowledge". (...) I'm not sure what Ken means here, some elaboration might be helpful. What is it that I've been picky about, exactly? And how does my being "picky" correlate to the (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Ken Nagel
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| | | | | (...) That wasn't for you to decide. (...) “I can't imagine him messing up this spectactularly." (...) Up untill you felt the need to screw with a public invitation and further can't take responsibility for your actions I felt no animosity. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) I think Ken means that your correcting the word "Legos" was being picky. (...) I'm not precisely sure, but I think Ken felt that the pickiness slighted the NILTC announcement. (...) Do you mean that you think Ken bears you animosity now? Ken, (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) No, he was talking about past postings to off-topic.debate, near as I can tell, so I don't think so. (...) I think so, yes. Not at all justified, but yes. (...) Certainly. It's written all over it, in the word choices used. (...) No. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Refresh my memory on what a mundane is? (...) Well, I *think* that Ken read that meaning in what you wrote. The reason I think this is because he quoted that passage back to you on another node in this thread, and it's also what first came to (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —C. L. GunningCook
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well since you "called" I came, and by no means do I claim to be a conflict resolutions manager nor a therapist (I just play one on Lugnet). I want to resist commenting directly on particulars because I truly do not want to add fuel to a (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Ken Nagel
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| | | | | | (...) Funny I've found quite a few "reasonable" people who found it offensive. Some of whom have posted it this thread. (...) It doesn't really matter what your view is because the TOU is very clear. Personal information will not be divulged with (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Ken, I'm sorry that you felt hurt by what Larry wrote. Larry has since apologized to you for the comments which you found offensive. If others in NILTC, or at the library, call upon Larry for an apology, I've no doubt he would apologize to (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | (...) Assuming you do not mind other peoples point of view since you are doing all this in the public forums I would like to step in and give my thoughts on this one point. Ken's working situation IS and WAS personal information. So what if Ken has (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Wow. Thanks for catching that mistake. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote "personal" above. I guess I was thinking "personal private" and accidentally wrote "personal." Sorry for the confusion on the wording and thanks again for the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ok - no worries. It did strike me as odd you would say it was not personal information. But I do agree it was not private information - but IMHO that does not make it "ok" for others to be posting it unless said person has said it was ok. You (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" — Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) I want to perform an experiment here to determine if this stance on revealing of personal information is reasonable. 1. Is it reasonable to say that Todd Lehman's being an AFOL is personal information? 2. Todd certainly has communicated that (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Ken Nagel
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| | | | | | | | | (...) SNIP (...) No, he flies it like a flag and has widly disseminaeted it himself. If I were to find out something as mundane as his political affiliation it would be wrong for me to post it without his permission. Somewhere someone has that (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Mark Papenfuss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Over the years Todd has made his stance on the hobby a VERY well known stance. Plus, we are ON Lugnet so we all know this. And when you talk about Lugnet you will prob also talk about Todd. When you run a public site such as this and basically (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Ken Nagel
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| | | | | | (...) I didn't ask for his apology but he did but then he turned around and started his campaign of justification and obfuscation. He still owes the library and NILTC an apology not that his apologies seem to be worth anything. (...) If that's the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | (...) You're twisting words here Ken. What Todd is saying is that you (not somebady else) posted this infomation in what could be construted as a public forum (the Yahoo group) without saying that you considered this infomation to be private. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well I disagree that Yahoo groups are necessaily public. If you can only join with the consent of the group moderator, and the messages are only available to members, I would consider it very bad form to repeat publically anything that is (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" — Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) Good point about the publicness of the Yahoo group. It equates more to a party at a private home. Still, I would not expect someone to not share information discovered at a private party. In fact, one of my examples was going to be if I post a (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) Where did the library call for his apology? Where did NILTC? And since you deem Larry's apologies as worthless anyway, why are you so adamantly pursuing it? (...) First you're pissed at Larry for what any outsider would interpret as a (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") — Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | The many personal insults and excessive crossposting by Ken Nagel in this thread have earned Ken a one-week timeout from posting on LUGNET, beginning immediately. It's unfortunate that Ken was let go from his employer. The circumstances of Ken's end (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") — Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | (...) As with all timeouts, Ken's return after the timeout period has expired is subject to indicating understanding of why the timeout occured, and an agreement to abide by the ToS. The choice on whether to abide by the ToS is completely up to Ken, (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | | | Now I understand that ken is bullheaded and may have justly received this timeout however I do agree that an apology is in order. Larry’s so called bad joke was insulting to me, as well as other NILTC members. Now I know ken could care less about an (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | | -snip- Thank you for giving us the perspective of NILTC. Up until now, Ken has been speaking on behalf of a number of people (NILTC and the Library) - and I've been curious on their take on this. (...) Does this mean you are no longer a member? No (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") — Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | (...) Are you asking as an official representative of NILTC? I'm just asking to make sure it's understood that you're speaking for NILTC in this instance. (...) Please see about a third of the way down this post, which addresses that subject: (URL) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | | | | | (...) techicly i'm not an official represenitive anymore since i'm no longer an active member. however since i created the club along with tim courtney and brian willams i still retain the right to protect my investment. so yes in this instance i am (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | | | (...) "On behalf" is different than being a representative of the club. I know through personal communications that Tim Courtney was not offended by Lar's post. I'm still curious about how the club feels. (...) I hope you realize that the Admins (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | | | | | | (...) tim isin't a member anymore and hasn't been involved for close to 2 years. (...) then ask them! niltc@niltc.org the only reason they haven't replyed to this allready is because they are tired of all of the ranting and other B.S. that goes on (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) One year :-) -Tim (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") — Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) That's true, Ondrew, the large amount of time that LUGNET has required from the admin team lately is not your problem. Unfortunately, when issues that have been dealt with (as this one has been) are reopened with repeats of insinuations and (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) You seem to be implying that answering Ondrew's email was NOT a Lugnet (admin) issue, or was less important than other issues Lar (and other admins) may have been addressing. If that is indeed what you mean, then I would strongly disagree. (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...") —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) I have refrained from entering this "discussion" but I feel I need to insert my .02 and then back out again. Here is the deal: Ken's announcement was the joke; Larry only had the hubris to point it out. Whoever wrote the announcement, while (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Apologies (was Re: Timeout —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) (some, but apparently not all) (...) I'm sorry that some members of NILTC took offense at my joke. In particular, Ondrew, I am sorry that you took offense. It is regrettable. I may not necessarily think it's reasonable to take offense so, but (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Apologies (was Re: Timeout —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) Larry, if you're so busy dealing with Lugnet issues (URL) I would suggest the quickest resolution would be to just apologise "to anyone that may be offended" in the original thread. ROSCO (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Apologies (was Re: Timeout —Ondrew Hartigan
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| | | | | | (...) THANK YOU . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs" —Ken Nagel
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| | | | (...) As I have said the whole thread would not have occurred had he been man enough to apologize to NILTC and the library. He did apologize to me but then went forward with all this obfuscation and justification. His apologies are apparently (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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