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In lugnet.build.mecha, Eric Sophie wrote:
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I have 5000+ views on the Qwelder-Mech Gallery that says it is a good idea to
let folks know about the sale.
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A few things to note here. 5000 views does NOT mean 5000 people from
build.mecha looked at it. Nor does it mean 5000 people want to hear about a
sale announcement in build.mecha when most of them probably don’t even read the
group. Lastly, 5000 views doesn’t even mean 5000 people actually *liked* it.
Most of the people probably saw it on the recent page on Brickshelf. Some
undoubtedly clicked on it to find they loved it, just as some clicked on it to
find that they *didn’t* like it. Please stop equating gallery views to some
kind of measurable “They Like It” value. High view numbers can just as easily
be caused by “Hey, this is bad, you have to check it out!” as “hey, this is
awesome, check it out!”
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No one speaks for the “mecha community”. None of you.
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Neither do you, despite your attitude of such. And in truth, when many people
post saying you are doing something wrong and very few (if any) pipe up to
defend you, it probably does mean they are speaking for the community at that
specific time.
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Selling the Qwelder-Mech was a hard decision for me.
I want it to have a good home.
I cannot continue to own a war machine.
That is my personal choice.
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Well and good, but don’t post the sale announcement to build.mecha. It is a ToS
violation. Keep it to the appropriate group.
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I believe the people who spend their time oppressing me have no compassion.
No breadth of scope. No understanding of my dream.
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Having dreams aren’t blanket immunity from the consequences of violating the
ToS, which you agreed to abide by when you signed up to post. Neither is “the
community wants to see my sale announcement despite the ToS violation!”
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The proceeds of this model will put food on my table and continue to maintain
a roof over my head. This is not me just trying to turn a buck, this is a
person trying to free himself of many years of collecting.
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See above about keeping sale announcements to appropriate groups.
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Those who attempt to oppress my way of life have no room in their heart to
see fellow Lego Fan succeed at a mutual craft.
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So we’re “oppressing your way of life” by pointing out you violated the rules of
the board here? That is like saying we should not prosecute thieves who rob
banks and homes because imprisoning them “oppresses their way of life.” Not a
good idea, now is it?
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Jealousy controls you, hatred motivates you.
The same people, the same hatred.
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Jealousy and hatred for you do not motivate me. Hatred of your continued
rulebreaking and whining when you get called on it *does* motivate me. You’re
older than I am; stop acting like you’re twenty years my junior.
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I created a graphic to honor the image presented to the contestees.
The graphic has been online for weeks now.
No one raised a concern when I posted it originally.
Only now that there is a platform to complain do the malcontents rasie their
heads.
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You weren’t violating ToS then, nor were you trying to make a profit on someone
else’s initial concept design. Did you get approval to sell a product based on
that drawing? If not, you may want to do so, or you could be sued and then lose
all that money and then some. And note here that this statement is meant to
protect *you,* so don’t start shouting “oppression!” when you read it.
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I have decided to protest your oppression.
I will post an image of my choosing, one day, each day for 30 days.
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If they are not of mecha, they may very well be a violation of the ToS for this
board. Are you willing to accept the consequences of your “protest”?
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If you wish to add your voice, click on the image.
The view counts will say all that is needed.
You need not put yourself in the line of fire.
I respect your anonymity.
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As I stated above, view counts pretty much mean nothing. People browse
Brickshelf independently of Lugnet, so the sample will be contaminated and
meaningless.
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I must do everything in my power to reach those who may be interested in
owning one of my creations. I have a total of $1000+ in sales this month
alone. I am proud of that and I am glad to provide the best quality models I
can manage.
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That still doesn’t give you the right to break the rules and post such messages
in groups that disallow MOC sale notifications.
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I do not wish to fight. I only wish to create.
I will continue to create until I have no more Lego.
The title of this post is acurate, this is an IRON MECHA, and it is FOR SALE.
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We don’t have issue with the “accuracy” of your post title. We have issue that
you crossposted it improperly, even after warnings on previous occasions.
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I say to all that read this, I did not wantingly violate TOS.
I say to all that read this, I sell my creations so that others may enjoy
them. The price reflects the work and materials involved, as well as the
knowledge put in to them.
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Be that as it may, you still did violate ToS, in the exact same way as you have
in the past. After repeated warnings of such, I can only think you’re
intentionally ignoring the warnings and rules, or you’re too wrapped up in
yourself to realize you could do anything wrong.
The major complaints are NOT, I repeat *NOT* about you wishing to sell a
creation. The complaints are that you have violated the ToS of Lugnet and
build.mecha by crossposting the sale announcement to build.mecha. The
announcement in market.b-s-t is perfectly fine. In addition, there is concern
that you did not get approval from the original creator of the design you based
your MOC on. If you did not, you could easily be sued by the copyright holder,
as I stated above.
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Allow another human being to seek his own liberty.
Making a post that informs my peers of a sale is no crime.
Only a select few, people who I have fought with in the past have taken issue
with my posts. Those who wish to damage my success.
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Again, you’re violating the *rules.* You agreed to abide by them when you
signed up. Violating the rules is grounds for having posting priviledges
revoked on a temporary or permanent basis. If you are fine with that, go right
ahead and violate the rules and live with the consequences. This is not an
issue of “liberty” or “freedom.”
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Looking back, I would do it again.
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This attitude makes you an unrepentent rulebreaker and deserving of the
consequences passed onto you by the Lugnet admins.
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Because I know the hunger in my stomach, I know the cold outside.
I know I want to make a better life for myself, that includes unloading the
vast sums of parts I have collected since I was a child.
This is best for me. I have a burden keeping so many parts.
I want to make as many cool things as possible with what I own and sell them
off so I can live my life away from this constant work to maintain my
collection.
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And you’re more than welcome to, on any site that allows sales. However, you
also need to keep announcements to the appropriate groups.
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I have asked my contacts at Lego for their blessings. I have received them.
So I offer what I have to you, my fellow Lego Fans.
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You asked them about this specific model, or in general? If you asked about
this specific model, they have no say since they do not hold the copyright on
the design used in the Iron Mecha Challenge.
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Never would I allow people who hardly know me to control my dreams.
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Nor would I. But dreams are just that: dreams. Don’t use them to excuse your
ToS violations.
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I love to build. I will always love Lego.
Fact is I have plenty, and if you so desire, it can be yours.
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And if I wanted it, I’d be happy to buy it. But even if I wanted it, I’d still
be here telling you to keep sale announcements to market.buy-sell-trade.
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Now I present my first image to peaceably protest of the cruelty that
continues to thrive through the oppressive nature of my foes.
Build on.
This is called “Struggle to build”.
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Click to Support - allow a fellow Lego Builder to seek his own liberty>>
Eric Sophie 2006
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Your “liberty” is more akin to anarchy, because you seem to think the rules
shouldn’t apply to you. Please do not repeatedly violate ToS in this way.
Doing so will only strengthen the opinion held by many that you care little
about anything but yourself and the attention, be it positive or negative, that
you recieve. If you’re unsure of the ToS, there’s a link at the bottom of every
page on Lugnet.
Jeff
(Setting followups to admin.general because that is the proper place to discuss
the ToS and violations of such.)
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| I really didn't want to become part of this post because I felt so puzzled by what I was reading. I have always held Lugnet with high regard, due to the civillized nature of the people here, unlike most public forums which are not so. I don't post (...) (18 years ago, 28-Mar-06, to lugnet.build.mecha, FTX)
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