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Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

Hi, last of my today's spam flood ;-) As I've built Backhoe yesterday, I still don't get that Lego move. Why did they replace _ALL_ technic bricks with studless beams? I think that the beams have 'right to live', for styling the outer parts they're (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford

(...) I'm curious about your question. When you ask about Technic bricks being replaced by the studless beams, do you mean that you don't think there are any studded bricks out there at all? If so, perhaps you should try some of the Designer sets or (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane

(...) It's obvious to me he means that. (...) Your more wrong Allen, than Lego was to change the shade of gray. There are few enough really good models posted here already without another level of complication slowing us down. We depend on the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) It is my belief that Technic studded beams will always be around, as long as technic is around. There are too many advantages of studded beams over studless beams for them to go away. So for me that is a non-issue. Studless beams have (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

(...) Agreed, and I wrote that in my original message. (...) Agreed. (...) Peeron is down right now. I'll try to do a search as it goes up. But looking in the 2003 catalog, none of the 'Technic' sets seem to have them. Don't know about Bionicle/Star (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) Hi Jindrich, Thanks for your open minded responses. <snip> (...) I guess my long winded post was unneccessary...... Wimpy beams have been getting a lot of grief lately, so I guess I had pent up energy about that. Wimpy beams provide no new (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

Hi Kevin, (...) I think this misunderstanding arose from my bad pidgin english, I should have stressed that 'only studless' phrase. (...) I've recently re-built my 8479 Barcode Truck - this is a 'traditional' set and I can bet, that taking few first (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

(...) Replying to myself, phew ;-) AFAIK in Technic, last sets containing studded beams are 3804 RIS2.0 (2001), 8466 4x4Offroader (2001) & 8461 Williams (2002). 8431 Crane Truck (2002) doesn't count, as it is a re-release. Sets for 2003: 8441 (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) Then I'm concerned for them too. Maybe LEGO will go back to them as it is shifting back to its core product lines. Steven is right. They are more open to input right now that they have been in a long time. Kevin (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Joseph Woolley

Jindroush wrote: > Jindroush wrote: > >>Peeron is down right now. I'll try to do a search as it goes up. But >>looking in the 2003 catalog, none of the 'Technic' sets seem to have >>them. Don't know about Bionicle/Star Wars/Racers though. Few (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Paul Kleniewski

"Joseph Woolley" <jwoolley@spamblock....ht.rr.com> wrote in message news:HrLp8K.1qot@lugnet.com... (...) i think TLC is not sure what to do with electric bricks i still force my idea DL (URL) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jona Jeffords

(...) Joe, I see in your linked to model that you have been able to mount motors to a studless chassis. I am wondering if you or anyone else has come upon a "standard" method of doing this? Do you have any other pictures demonstrating how you were (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) The second picture shows a good sideview, and it looks like he just used some basic plates (and two of the rail-plates normally used to mount that style of motor) to trap a small TECHNIC brick extending out of the side of the motor, which is (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jona Jeffords

(...) several of my robot chassis in the past, it honestly never occured to me to use them for mounting motors. I am definately going to have to play around with that idea. Jona (URL) - LEGO Robotics Group of Ann Arbor (21 years ago, 24-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) The C-3PO, Stormtrooper, and Jango Fett TECHNIC sets all use 1x2 (2-hole) or 1x1 bricks to attach basic LEGO pieces to the otherwise TECHNIC assembly. The R2-D2 set uses a 1-hole 1x2 as a spacer between two assemblies. The closest I can (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane

(...) Everyone can see that the two systems have their own advantages and that combining the two gives the advantages of both, but thats not the problem. The problem is that the 2003 sets had NO studded beams. (...) Having a few studded beams in a (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) There are no 2003 TECHNIC sets that have studed beams. There certainly are non-TECHNIC sets that have them (...) So you are ALL or NOTHING. This is fine on a set by set basis, but not across the entire product line. (...) With the 2003 TECHNIC (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)

Re: Studless Technic models —Ray Sanders

(...) This is a difficult statement to confirm or deny. Please note that there are very very few sets (beginning with 2002) which still have the TECHNIC moniker. One of the 2004 World City police sets has an alternate model on the back of the box (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)

Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane

(...) You haven't read my post properly, at the bottom it says I wouldn't mind mixed. (...) But RIS 2.0 is a set you buy for the RCX (and parts) not a set you buy for parts only. It costs £70-100 pounds second hand on Ebay. And you don't get ten (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) Here are sets in 2003 that have studed beams (technic bricks with hole(s)): 8381 - 2 8380 - 2 8384 - 2 8364 - 10 8357 - 2 7471 - 4 this one has studless beams too. 7470 - 35 this one has studless beams too 7469 - 19 7468 - 1 7467 - 3 7422 - 1 (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —John Guerquin

(...) I'm usually more of a lurker here nowadays, but when this topic came up (again), I had to add my 2 cents. Allan, I couldn't agree with you more. Technic is supposed to be more complicated than other lines. To me complicated = more challenging, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

(...) But this complication is unnecessary and doesn't bring anything new/positive. Rather the other things - studless beams are incompatible with System. That's a major issue. They had to design completely new pneumatics for it. We may also see new (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane

(...) This is the same point I made earlier. Building with studless is hard therefore possibly damaging it's appeal to the kids who are supposed to be the market for technic. Adult users of Technic are I think very rare. And how with studless do you (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Brian Davis

(...) I would agree, it's much more in-line with the way I think and build... but that's at least partially due to my history with LEGO. My 6-year-old son uses both styles, and even in his "regular" (non-technic) builds incorperates the pin and SNOT (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) Before I start, I'm taking three big deep breaths and relaxing.... I've got a lot of energy on this topic. Jindrich, I understand and respect why you don't like the studless beams, so please don't take this post as though I don't. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford

(...) Jindrich, I also understand both sides of the argument. I see uses for both types of pieces, so I'm not hard core in either direction. (...) Also, I hope you understood my question about what it was you were concerned about. I just wanted to (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

(...) Yes. (...) I should have written 'the studless beams'. (...) Of course, I'm not against the studless beams. I'm against replacement of studded beams with studless in new Technic sets, rendering them incompatible with System. Technic (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford

(...) Cool. :) It just makes sure we're all on the same page. (...) Actually it was specifically the words, "right to live" that seemed to indicate you felt these parts were dead, gone, deleted, discontinued etc. etc. Once again, this was why I (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

(...) Don't catch my on my every word, please, I'm not a native speaker so expressing some subtle feelings and so are rather hard for me ;-) I just think of studded beams/holed plates as a 'compatibility layer' between System and Technic. My old 744 (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford

(...) I speak only one language, so please don't feel I'm in any way attempting to pick apart your English postings. In fact, I am quite sincerely just trying to make sure that I understand exactly what it is that you are trying to express. It's (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Tobbe Arnesson

(...) Just to clarify; I thought SNOT was more about turning BASIC bricks on other edges then Studs on top (hence SNOT - Studs Not On Top). By turning parts around it creates different offsets etc.. See Bram's BMW as an example of offset building: (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) like the round wing on his disc-racer: (URL) has since evolved to incude a wide variety of building techniques, all of which have one thing in common. There aren't any studs on top. (...) Of course it is. You use sideways mounted TECHNIC (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane

In lugnet.technic, Jindrich Kubec wrote: It's like you read my mind. I'd been wondering for the last few days the best way to raise this very subject, the inferiority of the new Technic system. (...) This is the key question, somthing I was going to (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) Hi Jindrich, I have the advantage that my first set as an adult was the RIS. This comes with studded and studless beams. I started out using both, so the whole studless beam issues is not an issue for me. I've made a *lot* of MOCs with (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Horst Lehner

Hello everybody, (...) True. But then, I have enough studded beams to build whichever way I want. Therefore I welcome the addition of other types of parts to my collection. In fact, LEGO has to come up with new cool parts in new cool models to make (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) Let me just start out by getting a few things out of the way. I'm not unsympathetic to your view. I also build primarily with BIONICLE parts and stud-free beams, so I realize I might not have much credibility with you. One thing that I'd like (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —James Loewen

I've been busy lately, so I wasn't really able to post on this topic earlier, but I feel I have some things to add. First, my opinion is that both studded and studless beams are useful. I have built machines that wouldn't have been possible without (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Neb Okla

"jrl" <jrl3d@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HrnyIK.1s2K@lugnet.com... (...) compatibility (...) impressive (...) in (...) That's just not true. You can add stud-pins to the "studless" beams - and the studs of regular lego sets also fit into the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —James Loewen

(...) I didn't say that studless designs were totally incompatible with bricks, only that compatibility is greatly diminished. It is true that technic half-pins can be added to studless beams, but this takes a lot of pieces and these two techniques (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Neb Okla

"jrl" <jrl3d@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Hrrs2H.1Fy9@lugnet.com... (...) only (...) half-pins can (...) Well, it's give and take. Over the years Lego has released hundreds of pieces that take the product line into new territory - and with that (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec

(...) There's probably no list, but you may guess and check Peeron then. You'll see that: (URL) (Technic Plate 1 x 6 with holes) = dead 1997. (URL) (Technic Bush 1/2 Type 2) = for Technic dead 1997. (URL) (Technic Connector Toggle Joint Toothed) = (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —James Loewen

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) Building with the old style of pieces required a lot of pieces to do anything just to strengthen the design enough that it wouldn't rip itself apart. Why is it so much worse that the modern pieces require a few extra pieces if, and only if, (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Neb Okla

"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:Hrt2yu.yKJ@lugnet.com... (...) pieces to (...) Excellent point. (...) studded (...) parts, to (...) What is a tri-beam? (...) ROTFLMAO! (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) This: (URL) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —James Loewen

(...) Building with studded beams doesn't necessarily require a lot of pieces for strength, it just calls for strategic reinforcements. On the other hand, studless designs have requirements of their own because they require a good deal of connector (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) Exactly. And the more reinforcements you have to add, the more _extra_ pieces it requires. To my mind, that's no different than requiring a similar number of extra pieces in instances where you desire full System compatibility. (...) Both (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Ross Crawford

(...) Ahem (URL) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) than two reissued sets, they were pretty much discontinued in 1997, and with good reason. They have fringed ends, which have proven to be very prone to breaking, if I'm not mistaken. Especially when the fringed ends are attached to studs. And (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Tobbe Arnesson

(...) They were perhaps a bit fragile but not that fragile. Here's another version still in production: (URL) Best regards, /Tobbe (URL) (remove SPAM when e-mailing) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell

(...) I seem to recall a friend of mine having a few that were missing one or both ends, and I know I've heard complaints about the old fringed half-bushings cracking apart, so I can't see how the old fringed plates could possibly be more (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jennifer Clark

"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:HrwMGt.1JB1@lugnet.com... (...) both (...) be more (...) They are pretty tough, I use them all the time to support the steering arms of the steered wheels on very heavy vehicles. One (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague

(...) [snip] (...) In fact the RCX *does* have pin holes. Only four of them, but they are there. Two half pin holes on each side. [snip] I guess I'm not the only one who was lots of energy about the studless beam bashing. Kevin (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —James Loewen

(...) It isn't really like staying compatible with one little obscure product. Many Lego sets use bricks. (...) It's true that studless designs have been around for a while. At first they were used in a few very small Technic sets, then the Star (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Neb Okla

"Jindroush" <jindroush@nospam.se...nospam.cz> wrote in message news:4007C89B.935660...spam.cz... (...) Does it matter? (...) I agree, it'd still be nice to be able to get them in bulk packs or something. (...) Maybe they should keep them in (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Jonathan Wilson

You CAN still get the studded beams. For example, if you want black or yellow, get the Crane Truck. The Inventor sets have lots as well (for example, yellow in the Motor Movers and green in the Record & Play) They arent dead. But I do aggree that (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Thomas Avery

In lugnet.technic, Jindrich Kubec wrote: <snip> My response is a bit late. I've just been too busy lately, but I'd like to throw in my opinions too: (...) I would imagine that an intelligent 11 year old with some patience and a little building (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Daron Williams

(...) Personally I'm happy that they have the studless beams, however, I also hope that they keep having the "old" style stud beams. I tend to stick more to robotics (Mindstorms), my recent trebuchet was a rare deviation away from robotics (it was (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Thomas Avery

In lugnet.technic, Jindrich Kubec wrote: <snip> (...) I spotted two on Brickshelf recently: (URL) is a great thread! It just won't die :-) -TJ (21 years ago, 27-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)

Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane

(...) Despite the beating we gave it at the start :-) Studless Vs studded is the new purist Vs brick modifier (namely John Barnes & Jennifer clark) :-) That forwarder is far to simple. It would be much better built out of studded and with system (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)