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| | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Gerry Venteicher
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| | | | | (...) Would you be happy with dark yellow? The fact that lego is making the ethnic sets, indian or oriental, should tell you that yellow is just the basic color for minifigures. You do not see red used for indians although yellow is used for (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | (...) Yeah, except the ones with Oriental people (who oddly enough have the same skin color as 'white people') or Native Americans (who oddly enough have the same skin color as 'white people', even though there are plenty of them who are darker in (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Jorge Rodriguez
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| | | | | (...) To me minifigs were always Puerto Rican and they spoke Spanish as a main language. And they were dark skinned or permanently tan or ghostly white since we cover the whole spectrum but still Puerto Rican. Minifigs are what you want them to be. (...) (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Damian Garcia
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| | | | | | "Jorge Rodriguez" <rodriguez.136@osu.edu> wrote in message news:3964aff4.154699...net.com... (...) I agree. Please set all follow-ups to this in rec.toys.lego so we don't have to deal with it anymore. (24 years ago, 6-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Christopher Lannan
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| | | | (...) I dunno for certain that the yellow 'figs are "white" folks. I think they are just "people." I for one hope that Lando comes out with yellow skin. (...) It's the 20th century. 21st doesn't start until 2001. Chris (24 years ago, 7-Jul-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | I know that this thread is old, but i haven't had the chance to comment on it until now. If lego ever released a yellow lando, it would be a huge slap in the face to every black hero ever and I'd definitely get Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Gerry Venteicher
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| | | | | (...) Would that be a slap in the face with a WHITE glove. All those people would love this cause, it puts them back in the spotlight. Without controversy they have no jobs. Yes it is true, Lego is just a toy. That is why Orientals are NOT upset (...) (24 years ago, 6-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | O.k., O.k., I agree, poor chice of politicians to name on my part. But why is it so hard to convince the lugnet community of the politicization of toys? If lego toys are as some say, no more than toys, somebody needs to clarify for me why they (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm all for this. In fact, the first thing I'll do with my second Mace Windu is make a John Shaft- he's one baaaaaaaad MF (minifig). :D Seriously, though, I feel that the "all minifigs are one color" line was fine, up until the point at which (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) This has probably already been pointed out a few times, and doesn't necessarily apply here because we're talking about minifigs, but I think it's worth noting again that LEGO has for years been selling DUPLO figs in various skin tones: (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, I'm aware of that set- in fact, I just referred someone else to it and 215 Red Indians. What I meant wasn't so much that Lego doesn't have the colors available. I meant that as soon as they place one darker toned minifig in, say, a Town (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Amen to that! (...) Seeing as the old Anakin Skywalker (beneath the Darth Vader mask) was a gray minifig head, I can see the logic in that. (...) I bet they'll be dark. IMHO, the triangle-split-moustache head looks like Lando already but a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not sure I follow you on this point. Not that I disagree, I just can't tell what you're saying. :D (...) It's funny, I was just thinking that myself the other day. (...) I bet they'd get it all over the place for making it yellow. I bet (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | | | | | Darth Maul's whole body is tattooed, see: (URL) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | | | | Not just your opinion, mine too. Well put. ---D (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Christopher Lannan
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree. They have got to make them or it will be obvious why they didn't (...) kind (...) Do Harrison, Carry, Mark, etc have a right to be upset? As a "white" guy I would be upset of someone implied that my skin is yellow. (...) there Well (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Karim Nassar
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| | | | | | | (...) I've mostly stayed out of this discussion, but I've got some questions to ask. I'm not generally opposed to the idea of dark "skinned" minifigs (DSM), but I'm going to play devils advocate here for a minute. Lets say that TLG does in fact go (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —James J. Trobaugh
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.starwars, Karim Nassar writes: <snip> (...) to (...) I would also think that other problems would arise, besides the is there the "proper" quantity. But what about actual "roles" in the sets. I think some groups would get upset if say a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Jason Rowoldt
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| | | | | | (...) Because toys should not be politicized. I have a feeling you are just someone bored who is trolling, but I'll bite because I believe this is an important issue. If you are arguing an ideology, take it all the way. What is your ultimate (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | (...) be (...) with (...) in (...) First things first, jay, I really want to curse you out for your condescending remark that I am "just [...] bored [and] trolling." To insinuate that I'd try to stir up controversy around this issue without being (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, I think that of the three you noted (Pirates, Knight's Kingdom, Wild West) this one was the one where TLC was treading the most dangerous ground. The others are pretty clearly in a fantasy realm (Pirating and Privateering had many (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Karim Nassar
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| | | | | | | | (...) foundations (...) Be very VERY careful with this assertion... TLG has NEVER made any indication that the Cowboys were vs the indians... If you'll note, every one of the adversarial themes TLG has produced has some character crossover (IE: a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) You're right, of course. There are no Indians in the Cowboy sets, or vice-versa. I think closing your eyes to the idea that this is how the toys were, to some extent, expected to be played with is a little naive, though. And it doesn't change (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Jason Rowoldt
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| | | | | | | | | (...) don't (...) I never saw the marketing for this, I only assumed. Good call. So is it just our societal assumptions that pits the blue clad US soldiers vs. the "indians"? Ehhhhh... I still think it was risky, on TLG's part. They MIGHT have been (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Karim Nassar
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Take a look at the copy of the 1997 (...) page. (...) Neither do I, but here is an excerpt from the above copy: "Gallop over the plains free as the wind, build your tepee and canoe down a swift river like the Native Americans... ...Food and (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Nathan McDowell
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Don't know if that was supposed to be a funny remark, there are "Cowboys" (US soldiers, really) and "Indians" on the same team duelling with "Cowboys" and "Indians" of another team in that pic. =) See? They can get along! =) They can even join (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Karim Nassar
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| | | | | | | | (...) carefully at the pic). Do you know if in the game you actually play the cowboys vs the indians? In any case, I guess I should ammend my statement to say that in the actual LEGO sets, and advertizing for the sets, the above is true. --Karim (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Racial issues in LEGO (was: who's feelin the black pack?) —Jason Rowoldt
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| | | | | | (...) <snip my comments> (...) Ok, Day. Don't give me a nickname and I will not give you one. (...) I think now that you are sincere. Your first posts seemed almost satirical. I withdraw this comment. (...) I must ask. Why do you have to refer to (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Racial issues in LEGO (was: who's feelin the black pack?) —Jason Rowoldt
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| | | | | | Check this Lando out: (URL) recognizable, and with a yellow face. (Credit given where credit is due, the creator's name is on the page I believe) Jason (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Racial issues in LEGO (was: who's feelin the black pack?) —Julie Krenz
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| | | | | | | Yep, the fig jumped right out to me as Lando...and Jabba...lol!!! (...) believe) (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry Y'all, I can't agree that this Lando's "instantly recognizable." I doubt that any of us would be quick to make such an assumption if we saw the same incarnation of him alone in another setting, or in a context without a written key. I'd (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I agree with this wholeheartedly. I was looking forward to having both a helmet and a backpack piece from Boba Fett, able to be used seperately. (...) Hmm. Ok. I have to find that other post first, though, so I can remember everything I (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Damien, I really don't want to reply to this thread, but it seems to me that this whole race issue is being blown to the infinite amount of distortion on this thread. I will let TLC decide whether or not to make DSM's or whatever politically correct (...) (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Except the first movie, where finding a non-european face is almost impossible. I think this happened in part because it was shot (mostly) in England, but Lucas was roundly criticized for it. Bruce (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Damien Nesbit
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) be (...) Yeah, Bruce, you're certainly right. I watched ep 4 again two nights ago and the only black person that I counted was an extra in the mos eisley scenes. apparently, though Lucas wised up. thank god. ---D. (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —David Low
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) As far as I can tell human "race" is as meaningless in the SW universe as it is in Legoland. There are plenty of references to the differences between alien species and humans, and even some references to different human cultures, but there's (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Jason Maxwell
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Where Brooklyn at? (Was: racial politics, black pack, etc.) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | I must catch a flight in 15 mintues and will not have email for a few days, but had to post quickly: 1. No offense Scott S., but just because something has been discussed before does not mean it should not be discussed again and that nothing will (...) (24 years ago, 9-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Racial issues in LEGO (was: who's feelin the black pack?) —Andrew Tyrone
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| | | | | | (...) Of course, that could also be confused as Biggs. ;P -- Andrew, Agent 0007 (24 years ago, 8-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Christopher Lannan
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| | | | (...) Well then, should "white" folks view the release of a yellow skinned Luke, Han, etc. as a slap in the face? I have never, ever seen a yellow person (except for the time I had a VERY bad fever and became jaundiced). How dare they portray the (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —John Radtke
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| | | | | (...) of (...) I like this last point. I think the people who are bothered the most about this minifig race issue are suffering from a mistaken impression that yellow figs are/were ever meant to accurately represent caucasians. These Barbie (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | (...) Perhaps you should have a peeks at these sets: 215 Red Indians 9171 Duplo World People And get back to us. They're both in the Lugnet database. Thanks, eric (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Michael Nelson
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| | | | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Nathan McDowell
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| | | | | | (...) Nope, he's as caucasian as can be. =) ~Nathan (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) of (...) Depends on whether you key on hue or value. Hue (color) is abstract for Lego - no one is bright yellow, so why can't that be a neutral color for everyone? Because of value (relative light and dark). Lego yellow is pale - and held next (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Karim Nassar
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| | | | (...) - (...) Not at all... in fact you've hit the nail right on the head as far as I'm concerned about the entire race question. What you call "value" is more acurately termed (in this discussion anyway) skin albeido. That is, the level of light (...) (24 years ago, 7-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: who's feelin the black pack? —Bruce Schlickbernd
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