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In lugnet.general, Orion Pobursky wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Mladen Pejic wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Johannes Koehler wrote:
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Hello!
A few minutes ago I stumbled accross this folder:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=95264
Description: “aircraft of the new german reich”
Following the Up button in the folder thread I also found this:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=82222
“vehicles of Vereinigte Faschistische Staaten des Neues Reichs”
And I wonder: What on earth do moderators on BrickShelf think when they
pass something like this? Well, of course those galleries are “safe for
kids” since there is no nudity included...
But such Nazi-romanticism is not safe for adults at all. Believe me. There
are more than enough idiots in Germany and maybe elsewhere as well who wish
back a “New (German) Reich”. But the old German Reich is nothing a
reasonable person would ever romanticise about. Only war-glorifying
lunatics and moronic racists would deny the appaling facts of the gone
fascistic German Reich and make fun about it or portray it in toys. Unless
they make an aestheticised statement against war and fascism that is.
(Like that Polish artist did with the KZ sets made of LEGO bricks a few
years ago. He is not a fascist of course.)
Besides this the clause “vehicles of Vereinigte Faschistische Staaten des
Neues Reichs” is grammatically incorrect.
So, to cut a long story short: I’m totally against the censorship thing on
BrickShelf. In cases like this, though, as we have the moderators anyway,
they should act responsible and not pass every crap just because it’s “safe
for kids”.
Bye
Jojo
If anybody cares about my post and wish to reply they may set FUT what
newsgroup they think is appropriate.
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Johannes,
I agree whole-heartedly with you. It’s amazing that the moderators would let
something like this pass.
I’m always appalled by how ignorant and insensitive some people are,
especially about something as well documented as WWII. If only they read a
book or two about Hitler’s glorious Reich, they might learn the truth. Oh
well, such is life.
Anyways, thanks for bringing this to attention. Hopefully a moderator will
take it down soon.
Mladen Pejic
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For what it’s worth, I disagree that this is an issue. First, I do agree
that Hitler and his regeme were terrible. Second, simple naming a folder
with a Nazi name does not equate the the condoning of the Nazi ideal. What
if the particular person is an alternate history science fiction fan? Maybe
these models are part of an alternate timeline theme created by the modeller.
I think you are reading a little too much into the surface of this “issue”
-Orion
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Orion, perhaps you are right and the majority of people concur, but let me
explain myself.
Creating WWII-themed guns, minifigs, tanks, dioramas, etc. is okay in my opinion
since it is recreating something from the past (it’s historical). For example,
someone made an excellent Ju52 transport plane on brickshelf, and added a
swastika on its tail. This isn’t celebrating Nazism, it’s merely representing
something from history.
HOWEVER, when someone starts creating futuristic/present-day Nazi-themed
creation, they are just trivializing what happened in the past. That to me shows
ignorance and insensitivity.
BUT Keith Goldman makes Iron Reich creations you might say...
Well, yes, he does, but they don’t specifically relate to Nazism or Germany
circa WWII (as far as I can tell). Fascism still exists in the world, and
probably will never be eradicated. It is a broad, loosely defined idea that
keeps coming back throughout history. Keith is simply addressing this concept,
just as Leonard Hoffman frames his creations around a Communist backdrop. On the
other hand Nazism is dead and should stay that way. To try to trivialize it is
WRONG.
Regardless, I can see why some people don’t find this a big deal. I guess
because the war personally affected my family, it impacts me a bit more.
Mladen Pejic
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