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Subject:	Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:26:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:

Yes, everybody wants total domination for their particular agenda, but the article was accurate on that account: the right-wing Republicans are doing whatever it takes to actually achieve theirs.

As are so-called “Democrats” who are as happy to obtain their way by judicial fiat that completely ignores democratic processes. For example, take controversial Proposition 187 in California: a clear expression of will by 59% of the voters (regardless of the wrong-headedness of the bill; the money for it would have been better spent beefing up border patrol). Then “Flip-Flop” Gray Davis creates a “mediation” without representation from the pro-187 people that overcomes it. Is that democracy at work? It’s not even real judicial process as we recognize it!

With as much at stake in politics, there’s no way to pretend that either side won’t do “whatever it takes to achieve theirs.” Look at the NAACP ad against Bush talking about lynchings of black people, which was the worst possible hate- and fear-mongering that I’ve seen in a long time.

Actually, the problems in California were kicked off by that Bush/Cheney favorite, Enron, and continued with the bad economy in general (same culprits).

The same Enron--the best example of why campaign finance reform isn’t needed--that donated millions to political campaigns and couldn’t get a phone call returned from the White House when it mattered most to them? And the bad economy that started in late 1999, when a Democrat in the White House decided to go after one of the most successful American companies with mostly-off-base charges that collapsed the (overvalued) tech sector?

That one is easy to top: Florida. Any more softballs I can hit outta the park? :-)

Going... going... gone! ;-)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) With the possible exception of that whole Iraq war thing, right? -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Judicial fiat is how we have Bush as president if that's the way you want to look at it, so I'm not sure what you point is when you try to use an example of a proposition that was doomed legally from the word go. What, the judiciary should (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Yes, everybody wants total domination for their particular agenda, but the article was accurate on that account: the right-wing Republicans are doing whatever it takes to actually achieve theirs. Personally, I think their overreaching mania (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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