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Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
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Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:46:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Carl Nelson wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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Yes, everybody wants total domination for their particular agenda, but the
article was accurate on that account: the right-wing Republicans are doing
whatever it takes to actually achieve theirs.
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As are so-called “Democrats” who are as happy to obtain their way by judicial
fiat that completely ignores democratic processes. For example, take
controversial Proposition 187 in California: a clear expression of will by
59% of the voters (regardless of the wrong-headedness of the bill; the money
for it would have been better spent beefing up border patrol). Then
“Flip-Flop” Gray Davis creates a “mediation” without representation from the
pro-187 people that overcomes it. Is that democracy at work? It’s not even
real judicial process as we recognize it!
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Judicial fiat is how we have Bush as president if that’s the way you want to
look at it, so I’m not sure what you point is when you try to use an example of
a proposition that was doomed legally from the word go. What, the judiciary
should stand by if 59% of the electorate decide to ship all the Japanese off to
Manzanar again?
And the border patrol should be beefed up by the federal government, not the
states. But hey, they cut taxes right? Oops, they just shifted them to local
government and didn’t cut a thing.
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With as much at stake in politics, there’s no way to pretend that either side
won’t do “whatever it takes to achieve theirs.” Look at the NAACP ad against
Bush talking about lynchings of black people, which was the worst possible
hate- and fear-mongering that I’ve seen in a long time.
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You’ll have to give me a link on that one (but if it happened, I suppose it is
payback for George senior’s hate and fearmongering, if you will recall his dirty
deed on that account). Further, that would not have been the action of the
central Democratic party (or the Democratic party at all), just as the recall in
California has nothing to do with the central Republican party (but still the
local Republican party).
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Actually, the problems in California were kicked off by that Bush/Cheney
favorite, Enron, and continued with the bad economy in general (same
culprits).
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The same Enron--the best example of why campaign finance reform isn’t
needed--that donated millions to political campaigns and couldn’t get a phone
call returned from the White House when it mattered most to them?
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The same Enron that was championed by Bush and Cheney that put them in the
position they were to screw things up in the first place, yes. Don’t confuse
running for cover like a cockroach when the light starts shining on all the
skullduggery done in the dark with innocence of complicity in creating the
problem.
And the
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bad economy that started in late 1999, when a Democrat in the White House
decided to go after one of the most successful American companies with
mostly-off-base charges that collapsed the (overvalued) tech sector?
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No, the economy that Dubya has driven into the ground worse and worse is the one
I’m refering to. You acknowledge that the tech sector was overvalued, so how is
that Clinton’s fault that people came to their senses?
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That one is easy to top: Florida. Any more softballs I can hit outta the
park? :-)
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Going... going... gone! ;-)
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I should have mentioned the king of cutthroat political states - Texas (hey,
don’t say I’m picking on Republicans since I have a three letter rebuttal: LBJ)
- but I thought Florida more in the public mind.
-->Bruce<--
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