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Re: Newsbits: CA Recall
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Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:31:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote:
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Bruce, I am sure you caught that whole issue about the further restrictions
on the border patrol, want to talk about screwing California. With a
handicapped border patrol, and local principalities that would rather give
drivers licences, free health care, and schooling to illegal aliens it
won’t be long before we live in mexifornia.
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Come again? Wasn’t California part of Mexico in a not-so-distant past?
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Sure, over 100 years ago, before a war was fought and the area was in essence
sold to the US.
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The sold portion is small when compared to the conquered portion, as you know.
In any case, the main cities are not called St Francis, The Angels, or
Sacrament: so you can’t deny that Mexico has shaped what you know as California
now. If anything, the State’s name ought to have been changed to “Hot Springs”
upon conquest :-)
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I blame Bush for turning a blind eye to
the issue of illegal immigration, an issue he is very familiar with from
his home state. I blame Davis and the rest of the idiots in Sacramento for
giving away freebee’s to illegal immigrants every time we turn around. I
was not an economics major, but this seems to make sense to me: Business
leaves the state poorer class moves in equals poor economy.
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Are you fully aware of how xenophobic that paragraph is, Scott? “Give me
your POOR, your oppressed, your hungry...” I guess the words below Miss
Liberty are only valid for some.
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I feared when I made my post that I would be called a racist,
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I did not call you that. I called your original sentences xenophobic, which has
a different meaning. They ARE xenophobic - as a matter of fact, they can’t be
much more xenophobic than that. Now, if you are racist or not, it’s something
beyond my interest.
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however as a
grandchild of immigrants who followed legal chanels to become citizens, I am
in no way against immigration. Look we really have two choices either enforce
immigration laws and get control of the border, or just eliminate all
immigration laws and open wide the borders.
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As a non-american, I can’t ask for more than what I perceive in these words of
yours, a coherent policy. I can however feel stunned at comments like yours:
you specifically named Mexicans as something to avoid, when you say you’re
“afraid of Mexifornia”. Face it: legal or illegal, Mexican immigrants will be
the vast majority of the Californian in less than a century.
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Reality is what it is, the immigration process is not cheap or easy, I have
many friends and relatives who have gone through it, and are currently going
through it. I am all for making it cheaper and easier, but not abolishing it.
The other reality is that the majority of people illegally in the country
here in California are from Mexico, and they are poor. Middle class Mexican
immigrants tend to obey the laws. I would argue that a system where poor
people have to risk their lives to come to a country where they do hard
menial labor for horrible wages is racist and exploitive. There needs to be a
better way.
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As I perceive all borders to be anachronical in terms of human migration, I
can’t really say much on the subject. In my POV, the mere establishment of legal
vs illegal channels is odd, as the legislation on human settlement is, in
essence, xenophobic.
Please don’t attempt to dismiss poor folks’ migrations as unworthy, IIRC the
american dream is about getting rich from scratch. Remember gold rushes?
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As for the freebees, I am against them all together, here in California,
school districts are required to give free breakfast to any child under 18.
FREE BREAKFAST!!! Am I the only one who thinks that the government and public
funds should not be used to form one huge buffet line? Cut out the freebees
for everyone, eliminate the job eliminating legislations, and maybe employers
would stop their exodus to neighboring states.
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If I were cynic, I could say “screw the californian kids, they are likely to
attain obesity anyway, so why feed them breakfast?”
Pedro (cynic, BTW)
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| (...) I really can’t argue with that, you are quite correct, although I lived for a while in a city called La Habra, I still have no idea what that was supposed to mean in Spanish, Abra I think (...) I looked xenophobic up on dictionary.com to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Sure, over 100 years ago, before a war was fought and the area was in essence sold to the US. (...) I feared when I made my post that I would be called a racist, however as a grandchild of immigrants who followed legal chanels to become (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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