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Re: Newsbits: CA Recall
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Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:53:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva wrote:
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The sold portion is small when compared to the conquered portion, as you
know. In any case, the main cities are not called St Francis, The Angels, or
Sacrament: so you can’t deny that Mexico has shaped what you know as
California now. If anything, the State’s name ought to have been changed to
“Hot Springs” upon conquest :-)
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I really can’t argue with that, you are quite correct, although I lived for a
while in a city called La Habra, I still have no idea what that was supposed
to mean in Spanish, Abra I think
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I regret to say I don’t know any more than you on this, the word is unfamiliar
to me. Rest assured, I’ll look into it and let you know ASAP what I find.
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I blame Bush for turning a blind eye to
the issue of illegal immigration, an issue he is very familiar with from
his home state. I blame Davis and the rest of the idiots in Sacramento
for giving away freebee’s to illegal immigrants every time we turn
around. I was not an economics major, but this seems to make sense to
me: Business leaves the state poorer class moves in equals poor economy.
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Are you fully aware of how xenophobic that paragraph is, Scott? “Give me
your POOR, your oppressed, your hungry...” I guess the words below Miss
Liberty are only valid for some.
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I feared when I made my post that I would be called a racist,
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I did not call you that. I called your original sentences xenophobic, which
has a different meaning. They ARE xenophobic - as a matter of fact, they
can’t be much more xenophobic than that. Now, if you are racist or not, it’s
something beyond my interest.
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I looked xenophobic up on dictionary.com to ensure that we were using the
same definition, to me xenophobia and racism were very closely related, but I
guess that is not entirely accurate
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You’re guessing correctly: racism is based on race, xenophoby on passport (to
put it simply).
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xen•o•phobe - A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is
foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
Using this definition I definitely don’t qualify, I spent some time in the
southern US and let me tell you the worst thing about that area was it’s lack
of diversity, mainly in my food choices. Foreign influence is the greatest
thing about California, I would have it no other way. God bless diversity
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Scott, please read carefully what I wrote: I called your sentence xenophobic,
and it is xenophobic. In it, you’ve shown “unduly fear & contempt” of Mexicans
who cross the border to work in your country, fear of “Mexifornia” and contempt
because they do not seek for citizenship/residence thru what you perceive as the
correct means.
I think that legalization should be attempted by foreign workers, whenever that
is a legal requirement; I just happen not to agree with the need for such
formalities in the first place, which leaves me in the very uncomfortable
position of advocating a law I dislike.
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As a non-american, I can’t ask for more than what I perceive in these words
of yours, a coherent policy. I can however feel stunned at comments like
yours: you specifically named Mexicans as something to avoid, when you say
you’re “afraid of Mexifornia”. Face it: legal or illegal, Mexican immigrants
will be the vast majority of the Californian in less than a century.
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As I perceive all borders to be anachronical in terms of human migration, I
can’t really say much on the subject. In my POV, the mere establishment of
legal vs illegal channels is odd, as the legislation on human settlement is,
in essence, xenophobic.
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I imagine by a loose definition that could also be extended to other states,
as well as countries. If I advocated restrictions on Oregonians migrating to
California, it could also be considered xenophobic.
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Precisely.
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You really have to spend some quality time here in California to appreciate
what is going on. The city I grew up in was about 75% Mexican, a good portion
of my family is Mexican. You say that Mexican immigrants will be the majority
in less than a century, I say here in southern California we are nearly
there. That, however, is not the point. I mention Mexico in a discussion of
illegal immigration because here in southern California they are the source
of the problem; if I lived in Florida I might be complaining of Cubans or
Puerto Ricans; if I lived up north I may complain about Canadians. None of
this is to exclude a particular nationality, but because I want to stop the
problems that illegal immigration pose. At the heart of it, illegal aliens
are law breakers, they may be nice, hard working people trying to make a
better life for themselves, but they are willing to violate American law to
suit the own purposes. This unlawful state makes many of the people, here in
California live in horrible conditions. Families of 12 living in one garage
is not uncommon. These people spend years hiding from immigration, and
working terrible jobs, because they cannot legally work The plight of the
illegal immigrant is really quite abysmal.
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And yet, legalization is nothing but a formality. Or, if you think of labour as
a tradable good, legalization is a protectionist measure.
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As for the freebees, I am against them all together, here in California,
school districts are required to give free breakfast to any child under 18.
FREE BREAKFAST!!! Am I the only one who thinks that the government and
public funds should not be used to form one huge buffet line? Cut out the
freebees for everyone, eliminate the job eliminating legislations, and
maybe employers would stop their exodus to neighboring states.
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If I were cynic, I could say “screw the californian kids, they are likely to
attain obesity anyway, so why feed them breakfast?”
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lol, this is great, you make a great point. Litigious Californians fatten the
kids up in elementary school, then sue fast food companies for obesity.
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OTOH, I’d feel much more comfortable reciting a pledge with my belly full - it
could be seen as a bribe! :-P
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Scott C. (every bit as cynical) :)
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...I saw it coming! :-)
Pedro
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| (...) I really can’t argue with that, you are quite correct, although I lived for a while in a city called La Habra, I still have no idea what that was supposed to mean in Spanish, Abra I think (...) I looked xenophobic up on dictionary.com to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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