To LUGNET HomepageTo LUGNET News HomepageTo LUGNET Guide Homepage
 Help on Searching
 
Post new message to lugnet.off-topic.debateOpen lugnet.off-topic.debate in your NNTP NewsreaderTo LUGNET News Traffic PageSign In (Members)
 Off-Topic / Debate / 21845
21844  |  21846
Subject: 
Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:51:17 GMT
Viewed: 
394 times
  
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:

  If $10 per anum was considered a satisfactory level of payment, then surely a
greater tax (sales tax, etc.) is at least as satisfactory? Indeed, I believe the
proposal suggested that welfare (gleaned from taxes) be provided to the poor so
that they can pay their taxes!

My point is that the *amount* isn't what's at stake, but the participation in
the specific tax--sales tax, income tax, franchise tax, VAT, etc.  Otherwise
we're arguing about magic numbers--if $10 is sufficient, why not $11, etc.--and
that's the old joke:

"Would you sleep with me for $1 million?"
"Sure."
"How about for $1?"
"What do you think I am, a prostitute?"
"We've already established that, we're just dickering on amount!"

since for any amount n, one can persuasively argue for n - 1 or n + 1.

The handing over of currency for the purpose of fulfilling taxation is what
makes citizens responsible for their government.  Once someone on welfare is
given money, it becomes theirs in their mind.  They are parting with something
dear to them, and spending the time required to fulfill that responsibility.

Otherwise it's real easy to get 51% of people to agree to a tax that affects the
other 49%!



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
 
(...) All right, but the point remains. Under my example, the low-wealth person *is* participating in the tax framework, just as readily as if you'd assigned some low figure as an appropriate level of taxation. I don't think it's material to quibble (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
 
(...) 'Twas ever thus... We are all of us prostitutes and it's always about price. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Message is in Reply To:
  Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
 
(...) If $10 per anum was considered a satisfactory level of payment, then surely a greater tax (sales tax, etc.) is at least as satisfactory? Indeed, I believe the proposal suggested that welfare (gleaned from taxes) be provided to the poor so that (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

47 Messages in This Thread:













Entire Thread on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact

This Message and its Replies on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact
    

Custom Search

©2005 LUGNET. All rights reserved. - hosted by steinbruch.info GbR