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Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
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Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:43:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:

Everyone who buys anything (excepting a few items like food and, in some
cases, clothing) already pays taxes, so this particular fallacy as you
frame it does not exist in the governor's reasoning.

They share part of the tax burden.  But if they don't share the full tax
burden, aren't they just, as you put it in another reply to me, squatters?

  No moreso than if they pay the $10 per annum tax that you proposed.  And I
would suggest the person in my example is less of a squatter, since yearly
sales tax (plus hidden taxes like tariffs, etc.) would almost certainly
exceed $10.

Then it's a matter of degrees--the more you pay in taxes the less you are a
squatter?

  If $10 per anum was considered a satisfactory level of payment, then surely a
greater tax (sales tax, etc.) is at least as satisfactory? Indeed, I believe the
proposal suggested that welfare (gleaned from taxes) be provided to the poor so
that they can pay their taxes!
  The degree of "Squatterhood" is determined not simply by how little one pays
to enjoy basic niceties of life in our society; it's based on how little one
pays relative to how much one benefits from living in this society.  The
wealthy, who absolutely receive the greatest benefit of living in this country,
should absolutely be required to pay the greatest portion of taxes, to a level
commensurate with the benefit that they receive.  That's why, for example,
corporations (the primary beneficiaries of society) should never be allowed to
dodge their tax duty by basing themselves offshore.

     Dave!



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  Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I concur--I just wanted the clarity. (...) The idea of 'pay what you owe' is ingrained into my nature by my parents. Those folks who 'take the system for granted' without putting into the (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
 
(...) My point is that the *amount* isn't what's at stake, but the participation in the specific tax--sales tax, income tax, franchise tax, VAT, etc. Otherwise we're arguing about magic numbers--if $10 is sufficient, why not $11, etc.--and that's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
 
(...) Then it's a matter of degrees--the more you pay in taxes the less you are a squatter? Dave K (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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