Debate : 1818


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Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek

Ed Jones wrote: <the republicans tried to get clinton because he slept around> <old ground alert: this has been covered before but we can't have the record muddied here, I suffer from lastworditis as much as the next guy> No. They tried to get him (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Ed Jones

(...) No, the republicans have been using ever possible dirt digging tactic they can find since Clinton won in 1992. This was just another attempt by the Elephant heads to make a mountain out of a molehill to make themselves appear to be the "moral" (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Sorry, but that's what I distilled out. You spent two paragraphs trying to explain Clinton's crime as "he slept around, which is not a crime" and one sentence on the theme below. (...) Granted that what you say is true(1), I'm just confining (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Ed Jones

(...) Ok, I can see where you were coming from. (...) can (...) Elephant (...) the (...) While I do not deny that he perjured, my point is that the majority of Americans view that perjury as a non-perjury, and certainly not impeachable. And the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) Funny, Ed, that you consider if the public knows about law or not, is better than the judicial system? Public opinion does not weigh in the rule of law. Sorry. I would not want to be tried in that court, then. And since when did you guys worry (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Ed Jones

(...) Huh???? Public opinion does not weigh in the rule of law. (...) Wrong, public opinion has a whole lot to do with law. How do you think most laws get made/changed/deleted - public opinion warrants a change in the law. (...) Exactly who is "you (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley

(...) So if the majority of Americans decided that homosexuality was a jailable offense, you'd be all right with that? The law is the law, and until the law says something different, the opinions of a few thousand Americans asked for any given poll (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley

(...) Either you have a pretty funny sense of what art is or you've never seen some of the things the NEA has funded. The NRA can fall off the face of the planet as far as I'm concerned, but the NEA might as well join them for all the use I have for (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) Do you agree with the mob rule mentality, then? people should be tried on public opinion rather than a courtroom? So if I say you should be killed, and 500 other people want to, then it is OK? That is baffling! Just because the public opinion (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Jeff Boen

(...) uhhh.. pardom me if I.Q.s just dropped sharply while i was away (name that movie!)... but isn't that the definition of a little thing called democracy??? (first, let me state that the issue you spoke is irrelevant in my arguement, i don't want (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Jeremy Sproat

(...) "I may be an android, but I'm not stupid. (shaky grin)" "You're always saying that, Frost. You're always saying, 'I gotta bad feeling about this drop.' " Aliens! Wooo...ooo-hooo...ooo! :-, How about this one: "Life is pain. Anyone telling you (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Adrian Drake

I've got the two hard ones. The rest, well, someone else can deal with it. (...) The Princess Bride. Spoken by Westley to Buttercup on top of the ravine right before they head into the Fire Swamp. The line before is "You mock my pain" spoken by (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Jeff Stembel

(...) And that's a bad thing? ;) Jeff "Have fun storming the castle!" (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Aliens - Ripley's talking to the WY (The Corporation) inquest about the presence of aliens on LV-426 (or whatever). Right! That's big failing of a democracy. The majority gets to dictate. (...) Is it to be taken that you want marijuana to be (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Jeff Boen

(...) and who decides what is "just"... that is still a perception, subjective, something that can be defined by one's own opinion (or the agreed opinions of many, aka: "public opinion")... personally i think cops can start roadside executions for (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley

(...) This was written in response to Ed basically saying that because "a majority" of Americans believe what Clinton did was not commit perjury (since he was lying about his sex life, I guess) that we should somehow view the fact that he DID commit (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Christopher L. Weeks

<FH531u.BBy@lugnet.com> <37C88E50.5B325C68@eclipse.net> <FH7C2I.GF3@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Well, I and certain other reasonable people seem to agree. Let's just go with that. :-) (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —John Neal

<FH531u.BBy@lugnet.com> <37C6EE83.FBFCE338@io.com> <FH54wB.Dtp@lugnet.com> <FHA9s5.25D@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) "As you wish!" (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —John DiRienzo

John Neal wrote in message <37CAA1CE.47B63F90@u...st.net>... (...) <FHA9s5.25D@lugnet.com> (...) x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" (...) it. (...) right (...) pain" (...) Inconceivable! -- Have fun! John AUCTION Page (More soon!) (URL) Page (URL) & (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Jeff Stembel

(...) "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Jeff Too easy, but what the heck: "Because, unlike some other Robin Hoods, I can speak with an English accent." (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Adrian Drake

<FH531u.BBy@lugnet.com> <37C6EE83.FBFCE338@io.com> <FH54wB.Dtp@lugnet.com> <FHA9s5.25D@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Of course not, it's one of my favorites. Now what we need is (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Scott Edward Sanburn

OK, here's one: "See that Armory? Run around it!" Scott S. (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —James Brown

(...) Starship Troopers, one of the most liberal "let's see how huge we can make the gap between book and movie" movies out there. And on the same theme: (this one's a touch obscure) "You must move your house to the lee of the stone"(1) James (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Jeff Stembel

(...) One of my Childhood Favs: 'The Secret of NIMH'. I loved that film! :) Jeff P.S. Thanks for the clue (the footnote). ;) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Scott Edward Sanburn

James, Wow, I thought that was an obscure line. Yes, I know, I saw the movie first before reading the book, and it is very much off, but I still enjoyed it tremendously! (...) Liberal? Politically or the off-the-book? I thought it was a great (...) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —James Brown

(...) the (...) Liberal as in "a very liberal interpretation" You'll get lots of different opinions of what the book's theme is, some of them quite different (mostly, I've noticed, dependant on whether the reviewer likes Heinlein or not), but I have (...) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Really? I thought it was dreck. The book is a well written and thoughtful examination of what it would be like to organize a society around the principle that only those that have made a contribution to society (in the form of defense or (...) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Scott Edward Sanburn

Interesting description, it certainly has it faults, but I still like it. I don't know why, it is just me, I guess! :) Scott S. (...) Scott E. Sanburn CADD Operator, CADD Systems Administrator Affiliated Engineers, Inc. Ann Arbor, MI Work Page: (...) (25 years ago, 3-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) Oh, it wasn't a great movie, but I liked some of it. (Nowadays, that is all I can ask for!) I read the book after watching the movie, they are not similar. (...) As would I.... (...) Really? I did not pick the consumer part at all, the fascist (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Andrew Lynch

James Brown wrote in message ... (...) of (...) I Loved "the Secret of NIMH", the book, that is. It was one of those books that I read when I was younger, and then when I tried to find it later in life, I had a devil of a time trying to find out the (...) (25 years ago, 17-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Jeremy Sproat

(...) LOL I missed this post. Good movie. (...) "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" or something like that. Or was it "Mrs. Brisby..."? "Ms..."? I forget. Arg. I've read that book about a dozen times, too. Good read. (...) Yah, that was (...) (25 years ago, 17-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Name That Movie (Was: Misperceptions of America) —Andrew Lynch

Sproaticus wrote in message <37E265B1.5FCD18E@io.com>... <snip> (...) All (...) Waterworld (...) <snip> Hmmm... Now that you mention it, I'll ( grudgingly ) have to admit that he did a good job in "Dances with Wolves". And although I liked "Robin (...) (25 years ago, 17-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Ed Jones

(...) And they both fear that the Libertarian vultures will gobble them up :') (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek

Ed Jones wrote (in several different posts): (...) As well they should. While the LP is derided, and rightly so, for being a bit frothy/extremist/wacko, the actual sentiment of the country as a whole, which is more important, really, than what brand (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Ed Jones

(...) Hey, I'm still typing one handed, give me a break (sorry, the right arm is broke and ya can;t break it again - actually not broke, just unusable due to a pinched nerve) (...) Not wanting to go into the Libertarian debate of "earning your (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Ouch. I feel your pain. (the one good thing That Man did for this country is put that phrase into circulation) I'll give you a break. Or is that I WON'T give you a(nother) break. Whichever. (...) Because...? (...) Not me. If you think I'm (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Simon Robinson

(...) That's not sufficient. For your point to be valid, people would not only have to give more, but would have to give at least as much more as charities get from taxes. Incidently one of the arguments in the UK (and I don't see why it shouldn't (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley

(...) While all of those things may have some value, I've helped fund a great many of them myself out of my own pocket at the personal ticket-buying and donation level. All of the things you mention in the first sentence _ought_ to be funded (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Steve Bliss

(...) Unfortunately, the country is simultaneously swinging in a "Government is the mommy to take care of me" direction. Weird things happen when a large group of people is looked at as a unified whole, which it isn't. Steve (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek

<FH388n.5F4@lugnet.com> <37C5D07F.B4AB98C3@voyager.net> <FH3z48.893@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Er, technically, no. They would merely have to give enough more that the same worthy (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Frank Filz

<FH388n.5F4@lugnet.com> <37C5D07F.B4AB98C3@voyager.net> <FH3z48.893@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) What if the voluntarily given money is more efficiently used? What if the donors also (...) (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) You might want to listen to Larry. He made several non-party common sense points. But most leftists don't have common sense, IMHO. (...) Well, Ed, both parties have "blood" on their hands, it is stupid, it is called politics 101, but don't (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) Yes, I'm a cappuccino machine! :) (yes, I would like a Cafe Mocha, please!) No, I don't think it is treason, I think Adam Howard said that. I think the whole nuclear missile incident could be considered that, however. (...) It does not matter (...) (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley

(...) Me too. (25 years ago, 26-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)