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(...) From the Lugnet Terms Of Use: "LUGNET and its owners and/or operators do not control or censor content in discussion groups. The LUGNET discussion group server is provided as a “store and forward” mechanism “as is” without filters, which means (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) Are you saying that trying to understand things is a bad idea? At one point schizophrenics were considered "evil" and "possessed" and even if they had done no harm to anyone they would be persecuted and worse. Fortunately people have (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, it is not. The description of the Bar is "General stuff about anything you like! Smack encouraged. Don't forget to tip the barman. You must log in to enter the Bar, and don't upset Bruno the Bouncer.". I fail to see where "adults only" is (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I apologize Rosco, I certainly didn't mean to misrepresent JLUG. Since I am not a member, I am not too familiar with it, but I did notice "the bar" which is "adults only" and it is that particular section to which I was referring. That is what (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That brings to my mind another discussion that I would love to have in this forum. It involves the penchant Liberals have for trying to understand evil. It is a very dangerous and foolish notion, as exemplified by this movie (I assume, as I (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Please don't make JLUG something it isn't. From the user agreement: "This forum is for discussing any facet of creating with bricks but is intended for a mature audience." There is NOTHING about being an adult board, or needing to be an adult (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not at all. Germans have a very keen sense of humor. I mean that making light of something very disturbing to someone else is not a very civil thing to do, no matter how keen their sense of humor is. And it is uncomfortable for me to watch (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You: "My interest has less to do with nazism itself than the reaction displaying it’s symbols still generates even today" That sounds provocative, even if you aren't trying to be. (...) Patronizing? To whom? Children who might read this public (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I think you'll find the considered merit of ideas have quite distinct nationalities. For example most of the developed world considers the idea of capital punishment abhorrent and barbaric whilst the USA considers it to be in (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ideas don't have nationalities. They either have merit or not. Yours didn't for the reasons I gave. You obviously thought it did. So the arguments are laid out. As if it weren't ever safe to ignore my blathering. JOHN (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Good. I can now safely ignore the rest of your blathering. a (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Controversy? You're the only one making a fuss here, John. (...) Very prissy. Maybe even prudish. How about patronising? But hey, it's your life. Yes, lego is a child's toy. But, I am not a child, and neither are you, which makes it also an (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you mean to say Germans can't take a joke, and need defending. Alright then, good enough for me. (...) So what does that mean? That Germans are made more uncomfortable by it than Jews? (...) I'm glad to hear you don't have anything against (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Good, let it go ya'll. e (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, you don't understand me correctly. (...) Which part? And what is "a bit racist" as opposed to simply "racist"? Sorry, I just think that that term is getting a little overused these days... (...) I can't, because it doesn't. Never said it (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, I take it from your facetious tone that you are finished with any serious discussion. That's fine. j (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I mention Germans because there are a lot of German AFOLs. I know some personally. They are great guys. And I would rather not have them believe that English speaking people are a bunch of jerks who joke about things which are uncomfortable (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Holy crap! Now only WWII veterans can make jokes about Nazis? You've really got your work cut out for you now. (...) Only Australians are allowed to use it. From USAians it's deeply offensive. a (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ironically, I'd bet more women would find your statement more offensive than mine. (...) I used the indefinite article, meaning that in a free democratic state, there is draconian intolerance on this issue, so one should conclude that they (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ha, nice try, but no. Hence the quotes around "see". What I was talking about was our perception of the humor is different than someone who is object of the humor. I think I already stated somewhere that I didn't find it humorous at all, but (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Menstruating women may find the use of 'Period' in a one word sentence offensive. Whatever happened to the 'German Democratic Republic' ? (...) Available on cable/satellite channel TV1 at 3pm this arvo (in Australia). (...) Israel seems to (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gentleman, you both make compelling arguments. I take Allister at his word on his motivations. He was pretty clear about that. I also trust that John is speaking his mind on the subject. He was pretty clear about that. Let's just not fault (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, so you did think it was funny. Cheers. a (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think I need to make my original question more explicit. Of all the many reasons to object to a swastika spaceship, I'd like to know why you chose "because it offends Germans". Why didn't you once mention the feelings of Jews? Is it because (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So, if I understand you correctly, only innoffensive and legal things are appropriate subjects for humour? News to me, and almost every comedian on the planet. (...) Maybe for you. (...) The war was even longer ago than that. I'm not sure (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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(...) The net's a funny thing. Sometimes it hard to tell one way or the other. "Fuss" in American English can carry a negative connotation. I'll bet if you had chosen a different word, Lar might have taken it differently. But you did include a (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tel me John, did you perceive (URL) this post> as mocking? Just asking, because it's a similar situation - lar condemning my post because he thought I was mocking you. My point is, I don't see any point in a third person weighing in on a (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not as clear-cut as that. I agree that humour can and should push the boundaries of taste and I'm deeply concerned when people imply that humour can be derived from certain subjects only by certain groups. We laugh often because we are (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops that link didn't work very well, try (URL) this link to the details> jt (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Huh, not really wanting to step into this debate, but being a fan of Hogan's Heroes as a child I have to point out that Hogan's Heroes was WWII. You can read more about it at: (URL) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So, you're saying that Mel Brooks can send up the Nazi's since he is a "genious" and fought in the war. Is that your own special version of an appeal to authority? As for Hogan's Hero's I have no idea as I've never watched it. (...) Wow! This (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course. But some Jews have dealt with the Nazis by mocking them (Mel) and even some Jews find those Jews offensive... (...) <shrug> There is nothing new under the sun. Are we sure that "they" invented it, or did "they" "steal" it from some (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ok, so Hogans Heros was WWII, I lose... I still want to know if you go happy slapping with your friends? (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hogans Heros was WWI you dolt! And as far as Mel Brooks, he is a comic genious who earned respect first. He also saw the results of Hitler's handiwork firsthand, while serving in the Army in Europe in World War II. Do you go happy slapping (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hello! (...) You are right. Many Germans are offended by this topis. Either because they think it's inappropriate to make fun about, or because they constantly assume they are supposed to feel guilty. I'm not offended, though, I'm just curious. (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, As a scientist I feel the need to be brutally honest here. You don't appear to understand the concept of science and theories. Evolution is a theory (a proposed 'model' of 'behaviour' which has not been disproved). So is all science. (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What about the Jewish community? One might think they'd be offended, too. But points for looking out for people's feelings. Let's see, who else could be offended? I imagine Asians might be offended, because it reminds them of how the symbol (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) I disagree with that Period you've got there. The recent film The Downfall seemed to be fairly well received (URL) (...) He didn't experience the Nazis as far as I know so I disagree that his racial background justifies his right to (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dude. Nazism and Nazi symbols are offensive to Germans. Period. What is so hard to understand about that? Your little science project is doomed from the beginning. I mean, shesh-- imagery like that is illegal in a Democratic State, for crying (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thanks, but it was pasted directly from babblefish, which also explains the slightly mangled translation. (...) Cheers (...) My interest has less to do with nazism itself than the reaction displaying it's symbols still generates even today. (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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