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(...) If you'd read the header & not snipped quite so much text, you'd see I was talking about polygyny in NT "biblical times"; what are you talking about? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What about when the self appointed "cops" start {breaking} the law? (...) One can not always choose which wars we want. The UK went to war with Nazi Germany knowing there was a chance we'd loose. Palestinians attack the IDF knowing they will (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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After hundreds of deaths, it looks like (URL) Bush has backed down>. Scott A (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, there's multiple layers at work here. The intellectual ones are: That form of protest should be, in order to maintain the psychological power that it holds, reserved for the very most important levels of dissatisfaction, not the trivial. (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I thought it was Jackson. Didn't he start the "to the victor go the spoils" politics in the US? Chris (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, we all understand what you're arguing. We just disagree with you. Chris (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, what if it's equally valid to claim pagan-animist value system and governance because those are the antecedent of Judaism? (...) But since several of the thinkers of the time were openly hostile to religion in general and clearly not (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could they, hypothetically speaking deny marriage to blacks by not recognizing their legal status or somesuch? Chris (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) False. I know you're a big states' rights guy. Actually, I am too. But one of the things that these sections of the constitution do is spell out limitations on the federal and state governments. The supreme court has supported that the rights (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Ah, see, but John wants to lock the entire world into {his} version of morality for eternity, and the rest of us can just go to hell if we don't like it. Attitudes like John's truly sicken me. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Keep on Trekkin' (was: The Incredibly Mutating Thread)
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(...) Herbertian Stillsuit? All wastes are routed to the shoulder pads on men and breast pads on women for eventual recycling. This explains how the fatter the actor got the bigger the shoulder pads got (eat more, excrete more, bigger shoulders to (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, it's a fairly old nickname, dating back to the days when ST:V was still in original episodes (possibly even to her first year on the show). I mean, think about it. She's a Borg. She eschews all of the "silly" trappings of human life in (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, I watched the entire series twice through in the course of about a year (I missed a few eps the first time around, but I think I caught them all the second run through). Besides, she's a Cardassian, not a Kazon (and after the ad they ran, (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, well it must be OK then. (...) F-no, but the fact is, resorting to such an angry retort is the last resort of someone who cannot justify their actions with reason. Allow me to illustrate with a recent anecdote... I got a flat tire on my (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. The obscurity is why you are so fixated on wishing for the permanence of that definition. (...) I understand they use a slightly different definition in Utah. (...) Whether or not you or I like the definition is irrelevant. Things change, (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What I was driving at is: if you were to express dissatisfaction, why wouldn't you choose to burn a flag? I was never questioning the right to do it; I was questioning the wisdom of doing it. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Here>'s some info about "flag ettiquette" you may find interesting. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, wouldn't it be refreshing if the President cared more about the truth and less about pushing personal political predilictions? If the press cared about the truth, they would have been calling for an independent prosecutor to look into the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because it's a freedom of speech issue. Same as I support the right of the KKK to march, wear silly sheets, and say mean things(1), while choosing not to actually march, sheetify, or mean-emit with them. Some constitutional scholar you are! (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would that be the Los Angeles Times and Orange County Register which both supported his invasion of Iraq? Sounds to me like The Conservative Press is kissing his backside, not kicking it. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The Senate wasn't in session at the time. You aren't implying that Cheney is the only member of the Senate to have ever dropped the F-bomb are you? Because if that is the case, we shouldn't respect any of them. Hey.... :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, so it's only on the floor of the US Senate that he deserves no respect. That's a relief... - Chris. (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, wouldn't it be refreshing if the press cared more about the truth and less about pushing personal political predilections. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is what I'm talking about. You support the right, but wouldn't actually perform the action. May I ask why not? JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Awww come on, John, the American Press don't hate the prez, they love him! He gives them so many ideas for newspaper-selling stories! In fact most recent presidents seem to have the same effect on the press. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If he ever says it personally to you or me; no. JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As far as you know;-) S P O I L E R-> I forget which season it is (the last perhaps?), but Seska makes one last return in a totally implausible but totally enjoyable episode:-) (...) I will say that some of the episodes were very enjoyable; (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "69" LOL Hadn't heard that one before:-) JOHN (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution
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(...) EUREKA! Really, is it that obscure what I'm arguing? (...) I don't know what you mean. Provide examples, if you please. (...) I don't think marriage, until rather recently, has ever been defined as anything other than the union of 1 man and 1 (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The fact that many states expressly forbid it. If it's illegal, it's illegal. Anyone who feels that it's unjust has the right to try to have the laws changed to make it legal, but until they do...it's still illegal. I'm not sure exactly how (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) On the basis that if an incumbent president is voted out of office it generally means a dissatisfaction with his policies with no means of offering distinction as to which specific policies were the cause, yes. Clinton was comparatively soft (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, you seem to have a problem with the term 'marraige' being redefined. The point is that marraige has been redefined many times in the past and has many different definitions today. The point is that marraige is defined by whatever the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, it's the whole thing with how networks were convinced for so long that the only way a sci-fi show could survive is if it has the Star Trek name attached to it, but then here we are where the name has become something of a pariah, and other (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ok. So if your not using religon what is your justification for disallowing them to enter into a contract. Seriously, you don't see how this is a blatant case of religious discrimination?! -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can you prove that those ideals predate Judeism or the roots thereof? Show me some documented proof, not scientific theories. Even the great Stephen Hawking is recanting one of his most cherished theories today. (...) Just as the state's (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Noone is denying them the right to perform private religious ceremonies. They're just being denied the right to enter into a legally binding social contract. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Marital status is a non-discrimination item, but that doesn't prevent the Catholic church from refusing to marry a divorced person. They can't be required to perform the ceremony if they can't be required to recognize the union, and forcing (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure how any of that relates to ST:E only (most likely) lasting four seasons (Paramount cut their per episode charges by something like half just so it would get picked up for a forth season). However, yes, I like being able to watch a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let's hope not :) If stated so, I have a hunch lots of people would start migrating over to the liberal side :) (...) Well, I doubt that's John's point since I don't think he's interested in making other laws to: - attend church on Sunday - (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pardon? A vote for Kerry is an encouragement to the terrorists? Are you on the GOP's payroll? One could as easily suggest that the terrorists, recognizing that a fanatical, crusading zealot is out of the driver's seat, might pause to see how a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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