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(...) Okay - now, I've deleted all that preceeded this paragraph above because it indulges in everything you just disavowed. There, a clean slate. If you want to go back into the particulars, I'll be only too happy to shoot you down yet again. :-O (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm not convinced that we should have invaded Iraq in the first place, and I'm not sure what to think now: (URL) of me is starting to feel like we should just quarantine these states. I don't know how you fight people who are so caught up in their (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From (URL) I think that in the case of the [Bush] administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) here> BTW: Libertarianism rejects the notion of "community" as a liberal fantasy... there is only "me me me" in Libertarianism. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) via my paypal account ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds like the beginnings of a worthy plan. Where does one sign up for the Scott A for President campaign? Richard Still baldly going... (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I figure that you and I both know that we're getting off the initial point of the debate, so our audience may wish to tune out at this point! On what basis are you sure of that? Faith? I'm afraid that's simply insufficient for me (and in any (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From (URL) The Onion>, of course: Libertarian Reluctantly Calls Fire Department CHEYENNE, WY—After attempting to contain a living-room blaze started by a cigarette, card-carrying Libertarian Trent Jacobs reluctantly called the Cheyenne Fire (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Have Bush work point with the Marines/Army in Falluja Have the media call American Security Contractors "mercenaries"… because that is what they are! Rip up the rigged Iraqi constitution. Involve the UN on its terms. Listen to Iraqis... and (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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So you're Ralph Nader and you wake up one afternoon in November to find that due to a glitch in electronic voting, you've been elected President of the United States. What do you do to make things right in Iraq? Does anyone have a workable plan? (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't think I was, but if your interpretations of my writing style is 'holier than thou', I shall endeavour to rephrase. As it stands, my interpretations of your debating technique in this thread are--you're firmly ensconsed in what you (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and will we ever know the "complete circumstances"? I doubt it; these guys will get away with murder… as will the minority of the troops in Iraq who have abused their position (as a result of poor training). (...) Your loyalty is misplaced. (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What if your countrymen shirk that "responsibility"? (...) But you welcome one which reflects your own narrow moral views? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <chuckle> That's cute. Its offensive but you're not personally offended? What are you, publicly offended? Its offensive to others, but more enlightened folks such as yourself are not offended? <chuckle some more> Really. (...) There are some (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First, I do not blindly support Bush. I am a 1 issue man, and Kerry can have my vote at any time if he ever supports (URL) The Fair Tax> (...) I would say that neither of us knows the complete circumstances in these cases and so commenting on (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, sounds like a case of tyranny of the majority, then? BTW, I like that phrase "wacky Iraqi":-) (...) Well... speaking for myself (a conservative), I must disagree. Look, I don't care about your personal life. Keep it personal, don't break (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I am not questioning your intentions at all - I am trying to bring to your attention the consistently strident, holier-than-thou attitude that undermines the often quite valid points you have to make. Moving back up here after reading through (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Boy I hate when that happens--get a perfectly good tirade going and something happens with IE! Grr!!! Anywho, this time without the frothing (well, probably not...) (...) I am the second guy. Because you chose to misinterpret my intentions, doesn't (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem is not the analogy, but your misconception that you are the second guy in that example. (...) No, I'm just teasing you...well, and illustrating your constant fault-finding. . (...) And I really didn't mean that to apply to all (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would never presume such :) Here's an analogy--there are those who notice that the emperor has no clothes and think to themselves, "Well, that emperor is pretty dense to be walking around without any clothes--look at how much better I am (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure what you are saying here. When I said "responsibility", I meant personal responsibility. As I have stated elsewhere, Freedom without morality is doomed. I don't need an amoral government to be my conscience. JOHN (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is easy, the USA has a boom-bust economy. How about before Bush came to power? (...) Spoken like a true “small businessman”. (...) For those who still have jobs and can afford a home perhaps... As an aside, is the interest on your "home (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To quote a twist of a famous quotation: "The devil is in the details". We try, and that is all we can do. The world should at least have the opportunity to try. JOHN (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just enough to be holier than thou, I take it? :-) (...) So....you think I'm wrong? ;-) (...) "Oh, we have both kinds of chips on our shoulders here in Canada: arrogance and self-righteousness." Someone missed the joke.... :-) The greater (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It would probably be helpful if the United States itself embraced those ideals, rather than simply claiming to embrace them. Dave! (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That ditty sounds good, but it does not correlate well with the reality of Washington’s foreign policy “interventions” over the past 50 years. All too often democracy has been quashed and oppression supported. Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Please indicate for me a time when the picture was rosy so that I may compare. (snip) (...) Don't be so intelligent. I am a consumer. Prices are low. I don't need to know about theoretical economic BS that nobody is sure about anyway. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not arrogance-- it's pride. I am proud that my country embraces Freedom and Democracy. We didn't invent those ideas-- we just embrace them. (...) Specious. (...) Yeah, and there is much sick and wrong with our culture. There is nothing (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actions speak louder than words: Bush is no intellectual. (...) OK. So Palestine did exist then? (...) Why should I? (...) Why? The status of Jerusalem under international law is clear. Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hardly a rosy picture! "Fewer jobs at home. No pension protection. No health care plan. Gambling the future of Social Security and Medicare" "The Labor Department said the nation's unemployment rate had edged up from 5.6 to 5.7 percent in (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...and this comes from the same person who (URL) said>: "to advocate complete freedom without responsibility is to be an Anarchist, not a freedom-lover" Scott A (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I will definitely agree that Canada is as dependant on ff as most. However, we are working on lessening the environmental impact, vis a vis Kyoto and other such incentives. We don't have it 'right' yet, nor will we ever possibly attain (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh. Sorry about that. My mistake. (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But not in off-topic.fun. Take it to o-t.d. It is my view that personal attacks - whether aimed at a group of people or at an individual - do not belong here. Debate someone's point of view, but don't attack people. Personal attacks create a (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You gotta admit that you are contributing factor: that big chip and inferiority complex you have only fossil-fuels the fire. :-) (...) Turn off your heater and say that again... :-) (...) And I suppose that perpetually screaming, "You got it (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Canadians! What can ya do with em? It must be the good beer up there because you're wrong on just about every point. As it says in The Pledge (with or without the god part) the USA is a republic, not a democracy. (...) Ok, you're right about (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why so? The US administrations gets to decide if Iraq sells or not its oil. If they decide Iraqi oil stays out of the market, and the price goes up, who benefits? A hint: do the people who decide have shares in oil producing companies? (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Funny, I was a Liberal during the Reagan years, and used to think the exact same thing. Now on the other side I see how that that characterization was Liberal spin, just as Liberals assertion of Bush being a "moron". It is partisan hacktalk. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) There it is--the inherent arrogance in the American system. "We got it right!" Yeah, low standards of education, addiction and seemingly perpetual addiction to fossil fuels and (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (...) It signifies that prices are low so stuff is cheap, and getting money is cheap as well. (...) Borrow money and start a business or buy property! (...) How could they do that if we are taking their oil? (...) No. As it is now it is (...) (20 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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