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(...) Life is choices, and learning from past mistakes, and hopefully, as I probably don't have to mention to you, redemption. If yer dead, how can you work at that. I'm not an opponent to the death penalty, I am an opponent to 'vigilanty-ism'. As (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Life. It's about choices (1). Be a mountain climber? You might fall and crack your skull open. Race cars? You might hit a stationary object at a rapid rate and scramble your brains. Break into someone's home? You might find that that occupant (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) which 'tit for tat'... One Canadian dead, one Iranian dead. This is getting ugly. Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lives? How many criminal acts are there? And how many of them end with a death? I think the percentages speak for themselves. I always love people who rant and rave about how Playboy leads to sexual molestors and predators "All those sexual (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well I certainly will not risk my life to try and find out first. If a person breaks into my house I will assume the worst and act accordingly. (...) No, I wonder how people can be so pacifistic when it comes to their lives and property. -Mike (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nice. Burgler != killer. So the 'kill or be killed' application does not apply. Sure you don't know the intention of said burgler, but because he broke one law doesn't immediately mean he 's going to commit murder. If we justified killing (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Following the big-corporate push for deregulation (ie sanctioned monopolization) of the media, which was, of course, approved along party lines despite an unprecedented flood of public opposition, the FCC voted to raise the limits imposed on (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right so even that article said the "16-year-old kid" broke into his home. If your old enough to commit the crime your old enough get shot for it. I for one would not let someone survive breaking into my home regardless of which direction (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Corporations get extraordinary benefits from being fictitious persons here in the states. My problem is that I don't see corporations holding up their end of the bargain... Corporate Tax Cheats Wreak Havoc On The Neediest Among Us (URL) All across (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Blair is the British PM... not the English. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The reality is that Mr Martin shot a 16-year-old kid in the back from a range of four feet using a weapon he should not have had. Read on: (URL) Mr Martin was tried using standards which put certain aspects of your legal system to shame. Why (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What ever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? BTW: How hypocritical will it be if (as has been suggested) Rumsfeld publishes pictures of their bodies? Scott A (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Y'know, I cannot recall a single instance before the administration of Shrub where the idea of detaining people in contravention of the most basic of all of our supposedly protected civil rights AND the idea of torturing them was part of every (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry to bring up an old thread (dons flame-resistant suit), but I've always thought it was 'ni.' But maybe that's just mi. I'd think 'nee' would be said 'nay.' At least in some countries. ekki ekki f'tang zwoop-boing bbmmbrwow ni -Tim (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) So are you asserting that because they never had their day in court, they were innocent? (...) Your comparison is, if not completely laughable, not analogous. (...) Dude, to go out in a blaze of glory was their decision! I read a quotation (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was referring to your partisan liberalness. (...) I think you are unaware of how liberal your ideas actually are. I know I'm conservative; I'd bet you think you are pretty moderate... (...) No (thanks to the Israelis). Your refusal to come (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. (...) Fair enough. (...) Hindsight is certainly 20/20. I would be more apt to concede culpability if we actually had any idea as to his evil character, and even given that it is sometimes necessary to choose a lesser of 2 evils (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) From: (URL) did not identify the other two who were killed. U.S. officials said Tuesday that one appeared to be a bodyguard, the other a teenager who may have been Qusay's son." I wonder if the kid died trying to cover his father, is spite of (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They were bad. Do I celebrate *anyone's* death? No. Do I put "..seriously thought that the death of those two rat b***ards..." No. I think that justice would be served if the couple in St Kitts were put to death, but I would not celebrate it. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Probably. But the impact of their deaths remains to be seen, alas. I am hopeful that the elimination of those two brutes will allow Iraq to begin to heal from the atrocities inflicted upon it by enemies both at home and abroad. However, it's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your certainty confounds me AGAIN! There was no trial. There is no evidence. Sure, there are allegations. All I do know is that two persons alleged to be Saddam's children and likewise alleged to be criminals against humanity were killed. I (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It matters a great deal to the Iraqi people. "Death of the kids"? Or how about "death of the murderous, sadistic thugs"? Look how pathetically partisan you've become-- criticizing the deaths of 2 pieces of human excrement. Sad, really. I (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And how many people seriously thoguht that the death of the kids was going to help? Not to sound pithy or anything much like that, but it's only the idiots and morons that don't learn from history--violence begets violence. And this is the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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White House Threatens Veto on Media-Ownership Cap (URL) WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration said on Tuesday it would veto a large government-spending bill if it reimposed media-ownership caps that were recently relaxed by the Federal (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...or not: U.S. Soldiers Killed After Saddam's Sons Die (URL) BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Two American soldiers were killed in ambushes in Iraq Wednesday, dashing any U.S. hopes that the killing of Saddam Hussein's sons, Uday and Qusay, would snuff (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm uncomfortable with the idea of assassination as a worthy military or national goal, and I much would have preferred capture and trial. If killing them was the only way, then fine. But if there were options that were not pursued, then no. The (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Although I don't revel in bloodshed, this should be great news to the entire world community. (URL) with evidence that these two were largely behind the guerrilla attacks on the coalition in Iraq hopeful the region will begin to calm down a bit. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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That was a fantastic read! I'll have to back there later and read some more stuff. I wonder though, if the government actually decided to do something like that, what reason would it have for NOT forcing the "new" militia into military service at a (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) NPR had a report on that very issue way back November or so, but the Liberal Media Conspiracy kept it out of the headlines since then... Pardon my cynicism, but here's how I think it'll happen, if it happens: If a chem/bio attack occurs, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oct. Report Said Defeated Hussein Would Be Threat (URL) Last fall, the administration repeatedly warned in public of the danger that an unprovoked Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might give chemical or biological weapons to terrorists. "Iraq could (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm not usually one of the link suppliers, but I thought this was interesting. (URL) (21 years ago, 22-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, here's this week's "Top 10 Conserviative Idiots" which would be more humourous if people weren't dieing due to the ineptness, lying and outright warmongering of your current administration... (URL) K (21 years ago, 21-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) I literally laughed out loud in disbelief over this case. "A danger to Burglers"??? JOHN (21 years ago, 21-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Of course, it goes against the context that Bush went on 'good intelligence' to justify the war when he *didn't* even consult the CIA... (URL) just what 'darn good intelligence' did Dubya go on? The Niger lies... THe 45 minute lies... The Unmanned (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) However, even trial in regular court isn't quite what it used to be... (URL) "If we don't get our way and deny the defendant his right to a fair trial in the normal system, we're just going to take him to Gitmo so we get our way anyway. And (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) side of the Taliban... er, he went to a Taliban training camp. Maybe. Put him in US court and try him, or remand him to Australia. This "Man without a country" schtick is pretty tiresome. (21 years ago, 21-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) snip (...) Meanwhile David Hicks (and others) continue to be held without charge in Guantanamo Bay (URL) (21 years ago, 21-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not an optimist, I'm just giving Bush the benefit of the doubt. He's pretty much sol on his own account though now... I still think though Saddam needed to be removed. There are plenty of hostile govts in need of removing, but might as (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Jul 10th 2003 From The Economist print edition "America's plan to set up military commissions for the trials of terrorist suspects is a big mistake..." Here's the link to the rest of the story but it won't work, I don't think, unless you're a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You paying attention, Stefan? Your optimism and love of country is misplaced when it comes to the schmuck living in the White House. Look who's rewriting history now (URL) WASHINGTON -- While the world continues to parse President Bush's 16 little (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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