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Subject:	Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:54:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:

And how many people seriously thoguht that the death of the kids was going to help?

It matters a great deal to the Iraqi people.

Probably. But the impact of their deaths remains to be seen, alas. I am hopeful that the elimination of those two brutes will allow Iraq to begin to heal from the atrocities inflicted upon it by enemies both at home and abroad.

Agreed.

However, it’s too soon to know whether this will be the case, or whether it will simply allow some other hungry faction to win popular, democratic support in that country.

What lessons did you learn from WWII? (Dirty little secret: war is sometimes GOOD).

I would rephrase it thus: Although war is always bad, sometimes it is unavoidable, and sometimes good can result from it at great cost.

But war is never good.

Fair enough.

What would you have called the situation previously with the brutal SH in power? It was a mess to begin with.

Although nothing can be said to justify Saddam’s sadistic rule, it must be remembered that he only rose to that level of power through direct and intenstive US aid. As such, the US in general (and certain administrations in particular) must bear some burden for the consequences of that aid. Obviously, that doesn’t excuse his actions at all, but Cheney found him sufficiently tolerable to strike oil deals with him as recently as 1999.

Hindsight is certainly 20/20. I would be more apt to concede culpability if we actually had any idea as to his evil character, and even given that it is sometimes necessary to choose a lesser of 2 evils (compare Stalin to Hitler).

As for Cheney, I’m not privy to your reference, but sounds like business not politics.

JOHN

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		Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
(...) Business, sure, but look at the circumstances. Cheney was Secretary of Defense in Gulf War I and CEO of Halliburton in 1995, and in 1999 oil deals were struck with Iraq. Let's remember that this was during the time when Saddam was already (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
(...) Probably. But the impact of their deaths remains to be seen, alas. I am hopeful that the elimination of those two brutes will allow Iraq to begin to heal from the atrocities inflicted upon it by enemies both at home and abroad. However, it's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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