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(...) Israel is the regional superpower which is backed by the only superpower left. As such, Israel can defend just about any border it wishes. Israel has expansionist tendencies. It is building homes on land which does not belong to it for (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the bright side, they'd (we'd) be talking past each other in other groups, so at least it's confined to OT.Debate... Dave! (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Shutting things down--(was-Re: Is the Palestinian Cause Dead? The Latest Terror Attacks)
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(...) There was a scene from 'Sports Night'... A group of religious zealots called in a bomb threat to the local radio station because they didn't like the morning show DJ doing an imitation of Jesus. The reason they didn't like the imitation? The (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It seems to me that, after a tiny bit of clarification, the disagreement is over where the boundry line should be drawn. If Scott A is bugging you, just ignore his comments. (...) This seems like an extreme overreaction -- I have read the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Surely it is actually still a vote until that candidate is chucked out. It is no different to only writing in the first choice and leaving the rest blank. This method is the way my University (and I think all UK Universities) elect Sabbatical (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The statement I responded to was unequivocal. You can't really expect me to read all your posts on this issue just to be sure you mean what you are saying? I am sorry this is bothering you, but I think you need to look at my reply a little (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That sounds very similar to the preferential system used in Aust. lower house federal elections. I'd be interested in knowing the difference(s). ROSCO (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, perish the thought, voters actually being asked to think! Grin. (...) That's a spoiled ballot anyway, no different than now. (...) Good! (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I guess I'm done with this debate. Sorry for intruding. If people aren't going to bother reading the whole debate it isn't worthwhile. Scott - it's clear that you just like to jump on the one point in a debate which bugs you, and can't be (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) as well as most other parties, except the democratic party of Alaska. It's unfortunate that they think that they have the most to lose when it comes to the appearance of viable third parties. (...) I'm just glad that vanilla has the majority (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank, You can't really expect me to read all your posts on this issue just to be sure you mean what you are saying? Asking for Israel to be disestablished is an extreme view held by a minority. (...) The UN borders are not the pre-67 borders (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you bothered to read my posts, you would realize that I support turning Israelis out of the illegal settlements. What I was commenting on above is that the solution does not include turning Israelis out of the UN recognized borders, though (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In a perfect world it would work. But I doubt people would not readily accept that type of voting because you have to think of how you fill out the ballot. Also, you still end up with situations of people purposely spoiling ballots, i.e. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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See (URL) more info on a ballot proposal on the Alaska Primary that will do much to give people more choice at less expense. The Alaska LP supports this which is how I heard about it. Instant Runoff means that when you vote you also give second, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the Israeli people *do* need to be turned out of their homes - just like they were in Sinai. Israel needs to respect international law and pull back its people to the pre-67 borders. Scott A (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I care who started it (1). What I do care about are the following points: - That we acknowledge that the Jewish people had cause to trust that no existing government would protect their rights. - That we acknowledge that the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd have to disagree with this. At least in the US, my perception is that HMO's and PPO's and C3P0's are more concerned with making a profit than practicing good medicine. Greedy corporations are driving up the cost of medicine. Steve (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Representative? Dunno. I doubt it. I sure hope not! Dominant? They seem to be. The Tennessee constitution, for example, purportedly bars atheists from holding public office. (URL) have not validated that source. (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is not a snipe(?). Am I not supporting his argument? I can't ever remember agreeing not to "participate in the same threads" as Larry. Further, I am pretty sure he has posted in the same threads as me – he is welcome to. (...) Are John's (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ::sigh:: Okay, I'll take the bait -- although I am almost sure to regret it somehow... Yes, I think Dawkins has it right. But I would make the only slightly more subtle point that true religious freedom also includes the right to believe in (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Everything I have read suggests that those in the area had no idea this guy was there. (...) Dropping bombs on residential areas is like pouring petrol on to flames. It will not reduce the level of conflict in the longer-term. How many people (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It seems that there is an agreement between Larry and Scott to not participate in the same threads. Whether this is totally informal, or even fictional, is irrelevent. It's been nice having no sniping between Scott and Larry. Thanks to both of you (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) because (...) I think it amounts to the same thing. I guess I'd prefer clinical detachment when discussing these issues. (...) Well, I don't think there's anything exactly wrong with that, as is. If the commoners are going to shield the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I admit it, I was not impressed with the implied link between rationality, "success", religion and creationism. However, over the weekend I read an item by Richard Dawkins from "Free Inquiry" (see: www.secularhumanism.org). This is the part (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That sounds like quite a convincing case, perhaps they should have arrested him and put him on trial rather than murder women kids to get him? (...) What "risks" do Israeli F16 pilots face as they drop bombs on residential areas? Equipment (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good starting point would be to review the accounts of Israeli armed forces personal and government reports which come to light as the Israeli 30-year discloser law brings reveals them. Analysis of these is very slowly revealing the truth. (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would have said "experience" rather than "bias"... After they dropped a bomb on a residential area on the last month, Ariel Sharon congratulated his forces on the strike and he described it as "a great success". That says it all. Scott A (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, come come now. If we're going to go with sound bites, let's at least use an accurate one, eh?... here's one miles and miles closer to the truth: "basically, the government of California tried to repeal the law of supply and demand, with (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree that there probably was "nautiness" on the part of the (some) Israelis. I have no doubt that there was "nautiness" on the part of the (some) Palestinians. I certainly agree that the (many) Palestinians are inclined to believe (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they want & sues for $xxxM to drive Dr Grigg out of business. The problem is not (necessarily) with the doctors! And trying to get insurance against this is what is driving medical costs up. ROSCO (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe because the international court is something no sane nation should support "as is." The lack of rights to a fair jury trial, language translator, and legal counsel are the 3 biggest reasons to NOT support the international court. It (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) anything (...) (the (...) with (...) wrong. (...) Enron did that after the government imposed price caps. When demand exceeds supply and the price is fixed eliminating the ability to reduce demand by raising prices, guess what happens. That (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The real worry at the moment is that no-brain greedy Texan clown that happens to run the show in Washington. For some strange reason american presidents feel they're president of the world. If George Dubya decides Ariel Sharon is the goody and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There were a variety of contributing factors, but basically Enron engaged in good-old-fashioned price manipulation. Bruce (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) it, (...) The reason no one (i.e. current political leaders everywhere) is doing anything is really quite simple. To do so would require them to admit that what they have been doing (or not doing) up till now was wrong. I do not know (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, This is almost two weeks old at this point, but I just got around to it and thought it was worth pointing out. I strongly feel that this is how our first-level medical support ought to work. (URL) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Welcome back! (...) I fully expect that there was no massacre in Jenin, but how much do we individuals really know? And how much does the average Palestinian know? It seems possible (though unlikely) there there was some naughtyness going on (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I often wonder what Palestinians must think of the UN when resolution after resolution is passed condemning Israel's actions and nothing is done. (...) That is the extremist view. Extremists exist on both sides. There are many in Israel who (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I've stayed out of here for a while, but something I just read has compelled me to speak out. This statement from CNN ( (URL) ): (...) If Israeli citizens are killed because the Palestinians don't like the results of a UN investigation, then I (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Selective logging is the way of the future (well it was the way of the past as well). Many logging companies are using heavy -lift helicopters to bring trees out of the forest rather than dragging them out on skid trails. I've seen video of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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