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(...) it's a nice universal way of summarizing. as long as it's not taken to a kilgore trout level it's interesting speculation. although I am an adament supporter of evolution, it is on a level of faith. I havn't looked through the microscopes or (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, okay, I admit I got a bit sloppy there. Let's say we are a nation that tolerates having Dubya as president. Isn't there some saying about the people getting the governement they deserve? Maggie (who will mind her own p's and q's if only (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ?? (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, it helps-- but only insofar as whether or not I want to argue with people. It helps my sense of wanting to be "right" by saying "hey, they can believe what they want". In other words, by believing in such a theory, I'm less inclined to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) does existential second guessing paranoia work in other areas of your life? yes we can all pretend that we're in the matrix but I'd sooner make decisions based on commonly agreed upon fact of our time, unless proven otherwise. Who has time to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd sure say so. One root problem being (I think) that science has an awful definition of what it means to be alive. Evolution wants to separate itself from cosmology because it doesn't really have anything to say about the Big Bang or the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don't have a problem with someone believing in a Greater Being... What I DO have a problem with is the following: IF such a Greater Being exists, why is he/she/it such a bastard? I don't take with the Watchmaker theory, it basically doesn't jive. (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree. Evolution does not speak to the origins of life on a particular planet. It merely posits a mechanism by which life on that planet, once underway (by whatever way it came into being, which Evolution is mute on), can fill all (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evolution isn't trying to explain the universe. You seem to be stumbling over that. (...) Now *THIS* I can agree with (the reaction, not the notion). It's an impression I've had for a long time in .debate, although I don't think anyone's (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evolution is concerned with the origins of life not the universe. Those are unrelated fields of science, only associated by the fact that they are scientific pursuits. Theories and conceptions of the origin and nature of the Universe have (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's a joke in there, alright, trouble is, it's in the White House! :-) Do you mean was I joking? No, of course not. Are you saying Uncle Tom Thomas isn't an unthinking bag man for the conservatives? Are you saying that there weren't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can accept the matter and energy thing, but wouldn't that suppose that life and non-life are merely facets of the same thing, which would suggest that evolution and cosmology are intertwined? (...) Yes. It is a paradox, and thus illogical (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is all a joke, right? You people have gotten over the election and have moved on, right? I only ask because there are those who *still* fume about it... (Not that there's anything *wrong* with that!) [1] -John [1] My new (borrowed), (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think my own explanation is that your question forces conditions that weren't. Like me asking you if you stopped killing babies or some nonsense like that, since you never *were* killing babies in the first place. Essentially, there *is* no (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I see your point, but am still a little fuzzy as to the distinction. Evolution, AFAIK, attempts to trace life back to proteins in a sea of goop, but then again, I think it would be fair to ask from where the goop came, and so on. -John (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The general understanding of the universe isn't evolution, though. It's cosmology. Evolution has to do with life from the point of the planet's formation--you can, in fact, divorce them; if you talk about cosmology you're moving (as Dan points (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) but that's not about evolution anymore - it's the origins question, I believe. I think it's ok to say I don't know what happened then, but to me, the most logical thing that was before the big bang, was another universe... basicly, we have a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I may pose a question: Evolution is basically the theory that stuff comes from stuff that came before it. If you take stuff all the way back to the Big Bang (or whatever universe starting event you wish), where logically did *that* stuff (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not "my theory," and in fact it's very logical--and where it's not, it is open to challenge and change. That's the strength of science--that it's willing to admit that it does not have all the answers, yet. Remember that before (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I chop down trees, I wear high heels, Suspenders and a bra. I wish I'd been a girlie Just like my dear papa. -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And here *I* thought those kind of cars were only available to British 00 agents! -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's see... Chiarascurro is a dog-sized rodent native to South America, and Trompe L'oiel is that crazy circus with the uber-limber Thai contortionists, right? Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The SUVs are doing that??? Whoa. Auto automation (and auto armament, where's my Car Wars rule book!?!) in silly valley has gotten farther than I thought. Here I thought it was the *drivers* that were doing that, using their SUV (or gun, as the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oooo...ooo! I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay, I sleep all night and I work all day! Canada is a great place. I like Canada. But then again, I drove through Massachusetts and loved the place. Why the heck would people leave there for ugly sage (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or you could become Canadian, which, as *everyone* knows, is a happy balance between the British system and Americanism, and we're pretty nice people to boot! We have the best sense of humour, combining the satirical Monty Python with the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oooooo, british sports cars (have you fixed the darn oil leaks yet?), but have to put up with a queen? Tough choice. How about if I go to Scotland and foment rebellion? But then again, I could stay in SoCal, have my non-leaky Japanese but (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet, my comment to Maggie still stands. :-) (...) To switch devil advocate sides: the piece of paper is the will of the people. We can change it if we don't like it (political inertia may make it difficult, but if we perceive it to be that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I'm saying the *people* of the United States voted for The Other Guy. Dubya lost by that measure. He's President because the people don't actually get to vote directly for the President, though it is expressed that way. That Dubya couldn't (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I'd say that one man was George the Elder's selection providing payback: Clarence "Uncle Tom" Thomas. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you kidding?-- that's how we're getting there (guns in the car rack). But first, please build another chunnel to us, and while you are preparing for our arrival, please lose those silly Monty Python accents;^D Mmmmm Four-wheeling in the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is some wrapping problem-- something else one needs not worry about f2f:-p -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please fix your quoting. You have omitted the leading ">" from the first line of your quoted material again.... If you can't take care to do this, maybe you're not taking care in your thinking either? (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to say I have enjoyed comparing the content of this thread with the "indivisible" theme of the subject line. ;) Any Americans who are not happy with life in the USA are welcome to come back to the UK (leave you guns, SUVs etc behind). (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes: Luckily, the times I've seen you (...) Perhaps you are correct. FWIW, I find you very different IRL as well:-) I'm prone to say that it is the nature of this medium. It is always very interesting to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet, he's the prez... Don't ever say that the US *upholds* democracy above all else--a piece of paper trumped the will of the people. And, from my vague recollections of poli-sci 101, the US isn't even a democracy, in its purest form--not (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, John, It's real simple - Kill Filter each other. I kill filtered ScottA in this group only, and my life is much less stressful ;-) I have no problem reading his posts outside of .debate, but in here, he's as thick-headed (or moreso) than (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No way, Bruce! One man, one vote, and Scalia was that one man. Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have been asked by several people to stop debating with you. Some have asked privately others publically. Some have defended you in part, in the main they have condemned you as being pointedly unreasonable -- which I think is true. I am merely (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you pointing out the fact that there is considerable evidence that the Florida election was fixed, Bruce? Cuz, I tend to believe this is true -- although most people have lost interest in the subject. I guess it's good to have family in (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What country would that be? Bruce (pointing out that the citizens of the U.S.A. rejected George Bush....) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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