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(...) like Independance Day--I really liked the Presidents speech - the world united with one voice--'we shall not go quietly into the night...' etc. Sometimes I wish there was an external threat to humanity, cause that would put all these petty (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(snip) (...) Interestingly, UNRWA ran an ad in my paper today: (URL) A (snip) (...) (snip) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) Huh? I'm pretty sure that there was a clear victor in the American Revolution, otherwise our money would still have a picture of the Queen on it. (no real comment on why Canada is here (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As did the British Empire and the United States. Why? There was no 'clear victory' of either side in that war ('cause like, Canada's still here :) ) but, bottom line, imho,-- education. First it was war. Then realizing that neither party was (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I may have misunderstood your tone a little(!). (...) Scotland & England worked it out in the end... Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROFLMAO!!!! Jude (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would love to see the cognitive process your mind went through to reach (jump to) that conclusion. Although I do support the right of self defence, I am fundamentally a pacifist in nature. I believe strongly that we should uphold human (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-O Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, I wouldn't take anything too personally in .debate, I sure has heck don't. It's just a outlet for for sharing of ideas and thoughts, and I don't think that anything we say in this group is going to change any kind of world policy. So (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First let it be said that I don't enjoy the idea of war, I have never personally fought in one and hope I never do, nor do I hope my son has to. (I did spend 5 years with the Sheriff's but that's a whole different kind of battle). What I am (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was wondering where you were making the connection between my image and the Holocaust set and you cleared it up perfectly well. Thanks! Most people who know me very well, know I like to build rather off the wall models and my subjects aren't (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: While in college I met a 20-year-old woman with Turner's syndrome; (...) Wow. Even amoebas have more than that, IIRC..... (...) (23 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe there's people in the world that know even less about said conflict (URL) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's the Christian ideal, 'Hate the sin, not the sinner'. Name calling (a la 'scum') does not help in resolution of the problem. Quoting Pastor Doug Mckenzie " My topic today is bugs... Everyone hates bugs But why kill them, If everyone (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's that word again. And here's another anecdote from my storied history: While in college I met a 20-year-old woman with Turner's syndrome; she had only a single chromosome, she never developed secondary sexual characteristics, and she (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you read the proposed law? It was far to broad to enacted or objectively enforced. Any movie that portrayed high schoolers in adult situations, nothing graphic mind you, would be considered child pornography under this law. That is only a (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Perverse" is an emotionalism in this context so should probably be avoided in a serious debate on the subject. However, when I was younger (goodness gracious--when I was *half* my current age!!!!) I had several friends taking something like (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I thought he was from England;-) (...) Yes, leave it to the scum to circumvent law to appease their perversions. The slippery slope slants both ways. Our society will be hurt by this. -John (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I'll try at a definition I can live with: Art is that which is created/performed/presented with the intent of invoking an emotional reaction from those to whom it is presented. Child porn - Art? Only if it's the intent of the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Warning! Dave Koudys is espousing Libertarian rhetoric in the above :-) (...) Just as a note, the US Supreme Court ruled on this very topic this week and for once, by 5 to 4, got it right. (they ruled that depictions of acts by adults in a way (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey Y'all: I am going to drop out of the ME conflict discussion, in particular as pertains to my supposed "scariness." Frankly, I don't respect the other debaters enough to care what they do or do not think of me -- and I base this lack of respect (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't believe that after all these years, i still do the \'s wrong at times :) (URL) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Am *I* comfortable with it? Not at all. As stated, I didn't appreciate a red stripe on a black canvas. That was just a stripe! There is a bigger picture, and I think the history of my posts have said again and again--I have the freedom to do (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My favorite definition of art, as coined by Scott McCloud is: Art is that which is created not out of the basic need for survival. I like this definition because it is completely objective. I don't appreciate some art, but that doesn't mean (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I don't watch TV much, so I wouldn't know... (...) So you are comfortable calling a image depicting child molestation art, merely because the slime who created it says it is? So what use is art, if it's anything and everything anyone (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I gotta go with Scott on this one-- I definitely think the Holocaust sets were, and were intended to be, art. Controversial art certainly, but art nonetheless. I get the feeling from Dan that his work was intended to be silly, and not (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Guilt as charged-- I guess that one slipped out:-) (...) A hot button issue for me, as I stated elsewhere, and no time to delve into it now, but here is the short of it. I realize that a definition of art is elusive at best, but I am more (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh what was that quote from West Wing--Republicans being 'small-minded, xenophobic, anti-choice, gun worshipping...' oh I can't remember--going to have to watch a tape tonite! :) Yes, in *your* opinion, the holocaust set were not art. In *my* (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree only because I don't see these as competing views! In my view, the artist is no more or less an observer than anyone else, when it comes to viewing/judging/interpreting the work. To that end, "art is what the artist says is art," (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a hot button issue for me, because I really dislike a definition of art to be "anything"-- it's useless IMO. (...) An artist can call the sky pink, but that doesn't make it so. More hot buttons:-) (...) I'd bet BPS wouldn't agree with (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easy there, fireball, lest we accuse you of being a Typical Conservative--santimoniousness, arrogance, bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, and an irrepressible zeal for curtailing others' rights to expression. Naturally I'd never want to paint a (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And since this topic/discussion/issue is so convoluted to begin with, *not* clarifying what a person meant will really help the situation. True understanding comes with discourse, thru talking about it, with listening to other people's POV. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I certainly won't argue that point... at least not at this time. (...) but I would assert that there are at least two competing definitions of art: "art is in the eye of the beholder" "art is what the artist says is art" Under the first (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is a result of your pre-conceived notions. You sympathize with PLO terrorists and so you feel it comes off negative. I abhor PLO terrorists and not coincidently, I found it amusing. In the same way, I find mockery in the Brick Testament. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said *think* about it. Think of major conflicts and how they were eventually resolved. (...) Well, it's pretty self-evident IMO. If you don't realize it right away, I doubt any amount of explanation would help you understand anyway. -John (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) quoteth James (...) Victory can bring us peace? What, at the annihilation of one side or the other? True, that's peace, since you now have no one that disagrees with you. Further, if you think victory doesn't necessitate a complete total party (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott & All, (Ach, too many Scott's in here! : ) ) (...) Not really, as I have said before, they both have that shock value, regardless of the debate aspects of both subjects. I was shocked when I saw both, actually. (...) Well, there has been a lot (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dan & All, It seems funny this goes right into debate, since I have not posted here for a variety of reasons in many moons. (...) Did I ever say that? No. All I said is that it your creation, along with the Holocaust Sets, seem to have the same (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with this, but I think he meant it to be rather negative. For the record, I think Scott was not quite correct. In my opinion, the Holocaust sets can be considered to be "art", whereas I feel Dan's intention was a jest. Of course, it (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps you could explain this a little more so that the "wisdom" may be appreciated? (...) Perhaps you could explain (as I think nobody else has despite requests) why it is so disturbing? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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